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I tried adding this to your user talk page, but nothing seemed to show up :o( Where exactly in Europe has Xliponia landed? And why do they have a decimal currency- that's extremely unusual in IB Deiniol

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Where Xliponia landed? It hasn't been fully established yet, but most probably it will be somewhere between Albania and Greece and include the island of Kerkyra (Corfu). Unless Nik would object of course...
Re:Decimal currency: Gee, Xliponia has been around longer than all other IB cultures together! Give the man some time to fit in! BTW, I don't see why it would be forbidden for a country to have a decimal system. Even if the decimal system never became dominant like it did *here*, the odds are considerable that some countries might end up with it anyway.
--IJzeren Jan 12:30, 4 May 2005 (PDT)
Even if they did come up with a decimal system, its doubtful that the *value* would be the same. What are the chances of the separate system both choosing as their base unit something "equal to 1/10,000,000th of the distance from the pole to the equator along the meridian through Paris" ?
Beside, you would still need to explain the reason why a government decided all of a sudden to come up with a normalised system. *Here* it was both the large number of different value from provinces to provinces and later the republican philosophy that encourage it.
So, not forbidden, just in need of a bit of justification --Marc Pasquin 17:57, 4 May 2005 (PDT)
Maybe some 18th or 19th century king just thought the metric system seemed like a pretty neat idea, and, believing it would eventually win out, decided to be ahead of his time and adopt it. As it turned out, metric did not win out, but the Xliponians stubbornly kept it. Nik 18:24, 4 May 2005 (PDT)
Could be! Perhaps this king was a Louisiannophile? Or at least used to spend all his vacations in Louisianne? IJzeren Jan 23:36, 4 May 2005 (PDT)

And by the way, I'd like to invoke QSS for the decimal currency... Kyrmse

Learns fast! Much as I'd prefer to avoid decimals, I think for internal XLian matters like currency, QSS must be respected as much as possible. The whole point of QSS (and indeed QAA) is to help maintain older material and prevent it from being run over. XL is, in one way, the oldest part of IB. So, decimal it is! Just be sure to inform Xliponian travellers that, when travelling, they would have to excahnge sums in even xlipoes -- I don't think the exchange desks will appreciate having to deal with microexchanges. As I understand it, the xlipo is worth £C1/-/-, so your 1¢ unit would be worth 2.4d -- that .4 is a bastard to try and exchange! Currency is one thing, but what about weights and measures? Does XL subscribe to the SI wholeheartedly (like Europe *here*) or halfheartedly (like the US *here*) or not at all? Mind you, for export, XL would have to offer SI measured containers, in order to comply with European import laws (just like the US does *here*). Elemtilas
XL dóes adhere to the SI. The xlipo is worth £0.85 - 17 shillings, or 204 pence - so one sult (1/120XL*) is worth 1.7 pence. It's an exchange rate, not a formal, predetermined equivalence.
*Please note that we now have 1XL = 120s, not as previously 100s! Kyrmse 04:47, 13 Jun 2005 (PDT)
OK -- decimal it is not! Exchange rate table updated -- thanks! Does the xlipo have a particular (but available in the character set) currency symbol? In the table, I use the format you'd find in a typical newpaper's foreign exchange table: "XLX". Mind you, it doesn't need to have one, and most currencies are simply country code plus first letter of currency unit name, hence XLX. Those that have symbols look like FK£. Elemtilas
The symbol for the xlipo is XL. Kyrmse 09:38, 13 Jun 2005 (PDT)
Ah, got ya! XL ìs the Xliponian symbol! Is "s." the symbol for sulti? Elemtilas

Xliponia: Where?

Xliponia is now officially in the coastal region of Epirus, including Kérkyra. All IBWiki records - and the webpage at [1] will be updated and "de-proposalised" asap.

Glad to hear that! The map you made is truly delighful... I'll do some work myself to contain Xliponia in my maps of Eastern Europe (both historical and contemporary).
Regarding history, I have a few thoughts:
  • Does the region in question really contain silver mines?
  • You might consider explaining the language from an Illyrian substrate (in fact we know next to nothing about the language) or something like that.
  • XLs location makes it almost inevitable that it was part of the Byzantine Empire till the 14th century or so, and that afterwards it was part of the Ottoman Empire. I don't know much about either of them. I think total independence for such long period is out of the question, but perhaps some kind of special status (maybe the protection of some Italian city like Venice during the Middle Ages) could be possible. Most of what we know about Balkan history is on Ferko's pages.
  • Have you thought about religion? With XLs location in Europe it can be anything, both Muslem (as a likely part of the Ottoman Empire) and Christian (the Romans did quite an effort to latinise the Albanian west coast). And in the case of a Christian Xliponia, it can be Orthodox (Greek influence), but also Catholic (Italian influence, perhaps?).
Cheers, IJzeren Jan 12:03, 9 May 2005 (PDT)

It looks like Xliponia may be sitting right on the top of Raguza, capital of Dalmatia. Can you develop another map of Xliponia with the rest of Europe so we can be sure it's not replacing Raguza?

No, you seem to be mixing up things. Xliponia is south of Albania, while Raguza is north of it. But hang on, I'm working on a modified version of my map of Eastern Europe. --IJzeren Jan 00:46, 11 May 2005 (PDT)

National Symbol

*Here*, the adoption of a vertical arrangement by france was considered (no pun intendend) revolutionary as it was the first to do so. Tradionnaly, flags that used livery banner were horizontal (so in this case, probably yellow over red).

One possibility is that it was adopted in memory of some event linked with france (in the same way as the military cross on the maltese flag), perhaps somethinglinked with the napoleonic era ? Although most vertical tricolores are from republic, some others (like belgium) are not so there would be in implication from its use. --Marc Pasquin 17:02, 10 May 2005 (PDT)

Well, much depends on what Ronald will decide about Xliponian history. Like I said above, I simply don't buy a state on the Balkan that has been independent for 1500 years without any interruption. If its history follows the pattern of its closest neighbours (Greece, Albania, Bulgaria, Serbia), then Xliponia must have been under Ottoman rule for a while and then regained its independence somewhere in the 1880s or 1890s. An event like that is revolutionary in itself and sufficient to explain a vertical tricolore, if you ask me. Perhaps the Xliponians used a horizontal tricolore unofficially before a certain point, and the vertical tricolore was modelled after the Romanian or the Belgian flag? --IJzeren Jan 00:45, 11 May 2005 (PDT)

I saw the new map, Jan, and thanks for doing that. I lost a lot of my PSD's with the computer crash, and haven't tried to salvage anything from them since then. BoArthur 16:25, 11 May 2005 (PDT)

Just a quickie...

The sea to the west of Xliponia is the Adriatic, not the Ionian. Deiniol 05:36, 25 May 2005 (PDT)

Ionian (Adriatic?)

Ionian it ís, since it lies south of the Strait of Otranto. Trust the NGS for that! Kyrmse 08:09, 25 May 2005 (PDT)

Arms of the Kingdom of Xliponia

Since Xliponia is a kingdom, shouldn't the arms be crowned instead of being capped by a knight's helmet? And a shouldn't the mantle be hermined and tassled as in other royal arms? As it is now, it doesn't look very regal. It just looks like a commoner's arms. Boreanesia 03:55, 26 May 2005 (PDT)

They are a nobleman's arms, actually - originally those of Edward of Mersdon (see Xliponian history). Ths lack of a crown is also explained in the "Brief Outline". This is the Kingdom Without a Crown, as contrasted to the Republic of the Two Crowns... Kyrmse 04:39, 10 Jun 2005 (PDT)

My comments on Xliponian history

First of all, has everybody seen http://www.geocities.com/xliponia/history.htm? There is some pretty good artwork to be admired there!

Well Ronald, I promised you to give you some comments about your revised Xliponian history. All I can say is, in short, that for me everything you write is perfectly acceptable. You addressed all my questions (except one: áre there actually silver mines in the region?), and the whole story makes sense for me now.

I still find it a little hard to buy that Xliponia never had to endure any form of Ottoman occuprotection, but on the other hand, stranger things have happened. Dalmatia also managed to retain its independence, albeit in alliance with Austria (which then swallowed it with great appetite). Could it have been that originally Xliponia occupied a far greater territory than it occupies now, and that parts of it were indeed occupied by the Turks? Keep in mind that things like nationality, language etc. didn't play a role of any importance until the 19th century; it may well have been that most of the inhabitants of this ancient Xliponia were no "ethnic" Xliponians at all! As you can read on Ferko's history pages, Dalmatia's borders have been rather instable over the centuries.

As I said, personally I have no problem sanctioning all you wrote. However, the ultimate authority on Balkan history is, and remains, Ferko. As far as I know, he is still living in China and has no easy Internet access at the moment, yet he dóes pop up every once in a while.

Cheers, IJzeren Jan 09:11, 12 Jun 2005 (PDT)


Ferko, where are you?! Kyrmse 04:48, 13 Jun 2005 (PDT)
Well, look at Montenegro *here*. It was able to gain it's independence from the Ottoman Empire. And the Venitian Republic had cities in *theres* Dalmatia. But, yeah, most likely Xliponia had an area larger, though by how much I have no clue, but was wittled down to it's present size. Seth 2:35, 17 July 2006

A Conversation between myself and Ron

Had a nice chat with Ron by email, and think this is probably a not at all inapproproate location for it. Some later additions / responses as well. It answers some of my questions regarding Xliponia's obivous love affair for all things English. Elemtilas


Early in May, the Plenipotentiary Chargé d'Affaires had written to the English ambassador's office, complaining that the English always misspell "Xliponia". The answer, on 10 May, 2005 was as follows:


Dear M. Kyrmse:
In reply to your most courteously and eloquently worded request:
[Questioning the English practice of spelling Xliponia "Sleponia" and that "Xliponia" be spelled in its native form.]
Ah, howanever, I must explain that it is 100% justified on account of "Sleponia" being the Scoto-Anglification of Xliponia! No disrespect or slight is intended at all!
I would expect something similar in Brithenig, though they're usually a little better at spelling forn names "right".
I can (and will, since we do NOT wish the ill-will of our long time friends and since the oversight has caused such national uproar within the Kingdom!) add the correct form (Xliponia) to the description!
And whilst I've got thee on the horn, I might ask for you to explain to me the curious history XL and EN have with each other. I note, for example, that even on the currency, you have the denominations in English! Why is this? How did our paths cross??


[The ammendation was made with all due alacrity], and Some questions were answered on 11 May:


Oh, they liked Edward of Mersdon so much [ ;-)) ], and they were so well protected by the English from the Byzantines and the Turks, and they recognised (centuries in advance!) that English would be a widely-spoken language (though much less so *there* than *here*) that they decided to make English their second official language.

Indeed! A curious land, indeed. Will bear Watching, etc. ;)

Well, the part about protection is certainly true, that about Mersdon true but less relevant, and I believe they must have had English immigrants during the Crusades - rather returning Englishmen who preferred to stay in Xliponia rather than return to England (with that climate, who'd go all the way back?).

Also fits, as we have, er, shanghaied Grand Fenwick, that diminutive island of Englishry in the middle of so much troublesome Europeanity. [Well, the _idea_ of Grand Fenwick, anyway. Some of it couldn't fit properly.] So the idea of Englishmen hanging about in various odd corners of the Continent is not unusual for us.
Although in XL we are less of an "aye and nay" disposition. Makes one think of the saying they had in the Shire: " Go not to the Elves for counsel, for they will say both no and yes."
I might ask (with some wonder), how is it the English never capitalised on the opportunity to, ah, acquire XL as a colony or dependency? Especially after the Great Wars?
Yes, odd, isn't it? Something to do with the fierce independence of Xliponians, I guess. Will have to delve into the matter.

Perfect consistency - to use an inconsistent paraphrase - is the hobgoblin of small minds, not so?

Can't speak for Goblins of any sort, but you won't find a heck of a lot of consistency hereabouts. IB is an untidy world, to put it nicely.
As is ours.

But you're right: Not all about XL is fully explained or explainable. Oh well, we've been living with it since the late 60s, so... I _am_ willing to accept "Sleponia" as a regional name for XL after all, having read your explanation.

Mind you, in official correspondence, I suspect that the more correct Xliponia would be used out of deference, even if it's a bloody tongue jangler.
It is if you try to pronounce it (wrongly) as Ksleponia, but the correct (in English) is Shliponia - in Xliponian it is like ShlipoNIa, of course. The Greek write it with a sigma in first place, not xi (ksi).
That, of course, is precisely the sort of tongue jangler that the nativised spelling (presumably, the spelling was nativised at all on account of the long relationship between the countries) prevents!

But the Constitution should prevail in official matters. Of course, non-English languages - and those using other alphabets - would use a transliteration into their own phonologies and scripts.

Also while I've got you here, how does XL fit into the English speaking world in the 21st

century? Are there close ties between XL and EN? Is XL part of the Commonwealth? Is the xlipo tied to the pound or does it lean more towards Europe?

Oh yesss, my preciousss, clossse tiesss, clossse indeed. The xlipo is referenced to the pound (that is, its value is given officially in relation to English currency), not tied.
Not sure how that works. The pound is defined as 1840 grains of pure silver. If the xlipo is 0.85% of a pound (i.e., 17 shillings), that makes it 1564 grains of pure silver (regardless of however Xliponian coins might be alloyed). If it's not defined in terms of hard money and is merely "referenced to" the pound without any real value of its own, that sounds like something the Exchequer might be Displeased with, as we can't be having with currencies that only refer to the pound without having any value on their own!
Commonwealth: No (independence in spite of protection, you know).
The Commonwealth is voluntary and most of its members are independent nations. The C. is a trade / economic / defense union. Laws, internal governance, etc. are all addressed locally, though in many instances these are based on English/Scottish/Kemrese systems depending. XL could (and probably should) be an Associate Member, like the Arvorec Isles, Ireland, and some of the Indian Kingdoms.



Thank you for making public all this from our conversation. If you think the community will benefit from it or be enlightened by it, so be it! I promise I will give due thought to all the questions still open; most especially that of the Commonwealth will be analysed by the Powers That Be. And I do nót think the Exchequer should be Displeased with us... Do Watch! Kyrmse 05:24, 14 Jun 2005 (PDT)

A Presentation by the Xliponian Ministry of Tourism

It may be found here. Press F5 for the slide show! Kyrmse 15:57, 11 Jul 2005 (PDT)

Areas in Miles

The areas in this article and in the provincial ones (much in need of completion): Ançec, Atmar, Bovlai, Hastr, Hostreht, Lim, Meirç, Monnalp, Orflain, Vont are IB miles. Just wanted to make that clear. Kyrmse 19:00, 13 Jul 2005 (PDT)

History

Kyrmse, Was Xliponia ever taken over by other nations? In that area of the world, I don't know how feasible it is for a nation to remain independent over the long march of history. Can you help me fill that in? I've got the map-making bug again, and I want it to be historically accurate with recent changes... BoArthur 18:31, 20 October 2005 (PDT)

I know of no de facto takeover since 1132, except of course for the dynasty of Edward of Mersdon, who assumed the kingship (hoimtat, ultimately from Latin comitatis) in 1190. More on this at Lla Dafern where the historical maps of Europe are discussed. Kyrmse 07:37, 21 October 2005 (PDT)
As I noted in some TALK about the 1941 map uploaded, it seems to me that during GW2 Xliponia would be an absolute hotbed for espionage at that time. Think Casablanca! Zahir 07:42, 21 October 2005 (PDT)
It's just difficult to believe, for me, that Xliponia withstood the Ottomans when no-one else on the peninsula did. Is there an article or commentary of some sort related to *here* that proposes the Venetians being able to stem the Ottoman invasion? It was my understanding that the Ottomans were out to conquer, and thus the over-ran all of the balkans. Did the Xliponian king work out some agreement then?
I can see Xliponia being like Switzerland *here* in WW2, surrounded by evil...but since Greece was part of the Grossartige Allianz, it was looking to expand. Someone mentioned the possibility of Xliponia funding the Greeks under the table so they'd look the other way as they tried to expand.
What I'm saying is not that I don't want Xliponia to be free, but please help me see a way for it to be plausible. (Even if that means you make up some history, that's fine). BoArthur
At the very least, the ottoman period might have been spent as a sort of satrap/protectorate/colony.--Marc Pasquin 12:00, 21 October 2005 (PDT)

I could only think that maybe the Xliponians were bolstered in their independence by Austro-Dalmatia because Austro-Dalmatia didn't want the whole peninsula to fall to the Ottomans? BoArthur

but then in that case, the austro-dalmatian would have probably been the one doing the invading (as a preventive measure). *here*, european micro-nations existed because either A) they were out of the way and not worth the bother (except when passing by) or b)afforded some sort of advantage (economical quite often) to its patron. In the second case however, this usualy meant reduced autonomy.--Marc Pasquin 16:04, 21 October 2005 (PDT)
If I may suggest some possibilities? One to have Xliponia invaded and occupied at some point, but to have someone (the equivalent of William Tell, or Vlad Tepes) lead what amounted to a guerilla campaign to drive the invaders out. If this incident is bloody and intense enough, it becomes easier for the kingdom to retain greater autonomy over the centuries simply because dealing with Xliponians would not be considered worth it--thus giving the ruling house breathing room to play its neighbors against one another long enough to establish a tradition of neutrality. Add to that a truly fierce, formidable army (for its size) plus a little luck, I think that becomes feasible. For that matter, perhaps the occupying force (the Ottomans? The Astro-Dalmatians?) simply installed a friendly royal house that found itself going native over time, until at last that issue became the focus of a civil war? Or both of the above? Maybe? Zahir 16:43, 21 October 2005 (PDT)
I like Zahir's suggestion very much, but will have to flesh it out, which will take some time... Watch this space! Kyrmse 04:51, 24 October 2005 (PDT)

I've perhaps stumbled upon another detail that might help explain Xliponia's status. In writing up the history of Oltenia's princely family as well as the Khedives of Egypt, I had various exiled nobles ending up in Xliponia. Might this have become the traditional spot of exile for deposed royalty, etc.? If so, there is an extra incentive for folks to prefer Xliponia retain its independence, and status as a possible bolt-hole if and when things go terribly wrong. Zahir 10:02, 21 November 2005 (PST)

I like that idea Nik 19:42, 24 November 2005 (PST)
Me too!!! Kyrmse 05:58, 25 November 2005 (PST)
Sorry to sound like the devil's advocate but wouldn't it rather give the ottoman *more* reason to invade ? Get rid of the hideaway of a few pesky rivals. And in term of bolt hole, you would assume they would chose something a bit further away (like argentina was *here*) in case the new government don't care about monarchists and invade.
Mind you, I have no problem with Xliponia being the mediteranean equivalent to New Francy (as headquarter of the league of noble émigrees). Probably give it an economical boost and international exposure. --Marc Pasquin 14:58, 25 November 2005 (PST)
It wouldn't be a reason in and of itself, but it could be a contributing factor to why Xliponia remained relatively independent. I think it would almost certainly have to have been a loyal ally of the Ottomans at least, on top of anything else. You don't need one reason for Xliponian independence, just enough reasons in total (including some luck) for it to have more-or-less stayed that way. Zahir 17:26, 25 November 2005 (PST)
Folks, thanks for all these contributions. They're really helping to "flesh out" XL. Just do not forget that we had powerful allies, who of course had their own reasons for helping / protecting us: the FK (during the unfortunate Nap affair) and Venice (earlier, when they needed free access to the Mediterranean via the Adriatic / Ionian Seas). Kyrmse 12:39, 26 November 2005 (PST)

Shouldn't Xliponia be member state from the Commonwealth of Nations? Or at least an associated state? It seems to me it has enough in common to the CoN.--Pedromoderno 14:20, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Xlipetrol

Ronald, from this page, you link to the Xlipetrol logo on your own website. But we have the same image here in the wiki, as an unused file. You want me to delete that one? --IJzeren Jan 12:32, 23 November 2005 (PST)

IN HASTE: Am changing to use the IBWiki file! Thanks... Kyrmse 03:13, 24 November 2005 (PST)

The Making of Xliponia: Behind the Scenes

Xliponia was "invented" in the late 1960s, when its Brasilian creators were in secondary school, less as a "solid" fictitious country than as a background for the "Dr Imbécilis" stories. These were an express parody on action and espionage comics, making exaggerated use of frames containing only sound effects and connecting words like Then..., But... and so on. Dr Imbécilis - a shadowy figure in coat and hat, smoking a pipe and shooting wildly - was the boss of the Mapukra, a secret society whose name was composed of the first syllables of the creators' pseudonymous surnames. The word Bovlai was similarly constructed from their first names. Xliponia remained in suspended animation for many university and professional years, until the Internet prompted me to set up a serious-looking "official website" and further to develop the language and the culture. The IB Wiki provided an additional boost to sub-creation. I have been out of contact with the other two creators for different lengths of time, but one of them is remembered as the comic-book author Valtr a Qant. Some remainders from primeval times are:

  • the name of the currency xlipo;
  • the country's location in the vague Balkans;
  • the climate of intrigue and espionage.
Kyrmse 10:39, 7 April 2006 (PDT)
What is the internal explanation for the name Mapukra? Nik 21:35, 8 April 2006 (PDT)
It's in the dialect of Meirç; I have yet to find out the exact etymology - certainly not coherent with standard Xliponian. Kyrmse 15:14, 15 April 2006 (PDT)
I have got it now, after nearly 8 months (and it's posted on the Mapukra page): The name is derived from Latin manus pulchra "beautiful (i. e. just) hand" - the Meirçan dialect, while dropping case endings like standard Xliponian, did largely bypass Lautverschiebung and diphthongisation. Kyrmse 09:07, 11 December 2006 (PST)

Xliponian Alcohols?

So, does Xliponia have something akin to Ouzo? BoArthur 07:06, 9 May 2006 (PDT)

We dó have fouç, a wine brandy, and cuçul, the same with several flavours - e. g. mint, anise etc., but I'd say most Xliponians rather prefer bin (wine) and herbisa (beer)... Kyrmse 12:33, 9 May 2006 (PDT)
I just figured I'd ask, as there's been a flurry of "alcohols of X" articles since I created the Louisiannan original, and I think I even mentioned Xliponia in mine...so, if you have a specific liquor that you think may have been exported culturally to LA, let me know. BoArthur 12:36, 9 May 2006 (PDT)

official language

why would english be an official language ?--Marc Pasquin 16:34, 11 October 2007 (PDT)

Because the monarchy - without descendants after an incident in the 11th century - was taken up by the English nobleman Edward of Mersdon, so that English acquired a status in Xliponia similar to French in England after the invasion, only more so... See Xliponian history for more details (but not specifically on the catastrophe that befell the royal house ;-) ). Kyrmse 11:11, 14 October 2007 (PDT)
but just to take the same example, french no longer has any presence in england except for a few words. Wouldn.t the same has happened there ? who exactly would still be speaking english ?--Marc Pasquin 18:36, 15 October 2007 (PDT)

La Serenissima

How was Xliponia affected by the Venetian Republic? According to QAA, it should've existed, and according to the maps on Wikipedia (I know, I know) it had some bases *here* on areas that were to become Xliponia *there*. What do you know/think/say? BoArthur 22:06, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Either A, the Xliponians are closer to Italy economically or culturally (or both), or they feel that Italians have designs on Xliponia, and see the former bases of Venice as "inherent proof of Italian designs for the lands of Xliponia." Seth 28 May 2008
Do remember, Seth, that the Most Serene Republic of Venice existed from about 1400 to 1797 when Napoleon quashed it *here*. I don't know how it played out there, but I would be interested to see what Kyrmse says. BoArthur 13:29, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
At the peril of repeating myself, I am quoting from Lla Dafern / Archive 3:

I […] will quote from the Brief Outline of Xliponian History on the IBWiki page about XL: "In the early 19th century Xliponia became a region under the special protection of the Federated Kingdoms, constituting – in loose and temporary alliance with the Ionian Islands – a base against Napoleonic power in the Mediterranean."

Earlier, of course, XL had had other powerful allies and protectors:

"All through the existence of the Byzantine Empire, and later the Ottoman, Xliponia – a small state surrounded by powerful neighbours – enjoyed protection and guarantee of independence by various European powers, especially the Venetians and England, later the Federated Kingdoms. Due to this fact Xliponia has maintained its political neutrality through a series of conflicts, most notably – in recent times – the two Great Wars."

and:

"Xliponia did not suffer from the Turkish blockade in 1450; Venetian protection guaranteed Levantine trade. From the 15th century on Xliponia constituted a coastal strip surrounded by Ottoman territories."

So you see - quod scripsi scripsi - that through skilful diplomacy (and by being strategically situated on the Ionian exit from the Adriatic to the Mediterranean) Xliponia díd "stay free of the Ottomans". Not without much bloodshed, alas.

Indeed, it is not Italy, but rather Greece which maintains a non-overt claim on Xliponian territory, but I believe nothing serious will come of that. FK interests in XL, remember? Not that there doesn't exist a certain cultural affinity between Italians and Xliponians - same spirit across the Ionian, you know. If this is not clear, I will have to delve further into the matter... ;-) Kyrmse 13:55, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Would the Venetians have maybe negotiated bases with the Xliponians, or had some agreement with them for bases along that coast? I've just been reading 1634, the Galileo Affair, and have looked into the Thirty Years War period, when La Serenissima as at its height, and I just wanted to make sure it hadn't been overlooked in IB history. :) BoArthur 15:21, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

There was a Conculture discussion going, now apparently lapsed, about Istria and its status in IB. The two states have some obvious similarities (Latin language, Adriatic location, Venetian influence), and I wonder if they have any historic relationship. It's "istresting," by the way, to look at the contrast between XL's utmost stability and Istria's turbulence. Benkarnell 15:57, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

1453

I think the old date for the decline of the Byzantine Empire was correct. It indicated the end of the empire's sway over Xliponia, not the end of the empire itself. Benkarnell 06:29, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Xliponia was independent from the Byzantine Empire... Kyrmse 13:25, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry it said something like "Unitil the Byzantine Empire dissolved in 1261" I thought that sentence had nothing to do with Xliponia since Xliponia was always independent and the Byzantine Empire fell *here* in 1453 Misterxeight 14:07, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

The way I understand it (see Rulers of Xliponia), "Odo I unified several small monarchies in 1132", and that was the beginning of an independent state called Xliponia. Edward of Mersdon, of course, came along in 1190, but that is a wholly different story again. The small monarchies before Odo were probably - as far as I am able to ascertain - client states of the Byzantine Empire. By this approach, Xliponia can be said to have become "independent of the Byzantine Empire" in 1132. Of course, a few Greek / Byzantine cultural aspects (from that time) still survive in Xliponia. But integration of XL into a neo-Byzantium seems unfeasible, since we have always had powerful friends (formerly the Venetian Republic, today the FK)! Kyrmse 17:26, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Ah I see, sorry Mr.Kyrmse. Misterxeight 17:36, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

We will defend ourselves... on the beaches... in the casinos... in the hotels... against any who would deprive us of our varhimmi ac haraim. (Q. v. sub How to tell if you're Xliponian) ;-) Kyrmse 13:46, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Religion?

Kymrese, what is the dominant religion in Xliponia? More specifically, under which Patriarch (Greek? Bulgarian? Romanian?) are the Christian Orthodox Churches administered? Zahir 15:06, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello, Zahir - "Kymrese" makes on think of Kemrese, not so? I had never come across this mis-spelling of my name, among so many! ;-) But revenons à nos moutons: The Orthodox Christians in Xliponia are mainly Greek. Kyrmse 14:16, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Oops. Sorry. And thankee! Zahir 15:02, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

I always thought that too. For awhile I had near-dyslexia and even thought it was Kemrese. Sorry :) Misterxeight 17:32, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Eco-Friendly Steps

Would you be up for a joint Xliponian-Greek wind power project? Misterxeight 22:42, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Certainly! Only I lack the technical knowledge... Kyrmse 13:07, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Move Constitution

Minor housekeeping matter: with the creation of Category:Constitutions, would you mind terribly if I moved the Constitution section to its own page, or else put this page into that category? Benkarnell 03:25, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

By all means do! I lack the time (at the moment) and the technical ability... Kyrmse 12:14, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
All right, there it is. The constitution has its own page, and the relevant section at this page has a one-paragraph summary that I hope is satisfactory. Benkarnell 16:30, 27 April 2009 (UTC)


Religious Demographics

I'm a roll here. While we know that Xliponia is Catholic, has it been established just how Catholic? Is it a majority, a plurality? If most Orthodox Christians in Xliponia are Greek, how many are there? There are still Jews and Muslims in Xliponia, correct? Misterxeight 17:19, 18 July 2016 (PDT)

Xliponia arrived in our world geographically amorphic (hence its ease of placement on the Aegean Coast), but otherwise, it was fairly well fleshed out. I'll defer to Kyrmse on this one. BoArthur 12:45, 19 July 2016 (PDT)
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