Ill Bethisad Collaboration of the Fortnight

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Every month (or so), an Ill Bethisad Collaboration of the Fortnight will be picked using this page. This is a specific topic which either has a very short article or no article at all that is directly related to the project, the aim being to have a high-standard article by the end of the period, from widespread cooperative editing.

The project aims to fill disturbing gaps about Ill Bethisad, to give users a focus and to give us all something to be proud of. Any IB member can nominate an article and can vote for the nominated articles. When the previous Collaboration of the Fortnight has been concluded satisfactorily and there are new proposals waiting, the votes are tallied, and the winner will be promoted for the next month to potential contributors.

The most suitable type of articles for this project would be those which:

  • have a deeper impact on Ill Bethisad as a whole;
  • do not fall under anyone's exclusive jurisdiction.

In other words, articles about subjects that are of interest to a fairly large group of members. Very suitable are, for example, far-reaching historic events like wars; countries that can be considered "group property", like the NAL-SLC or the HRE; supranational organisations; etc. For obvious reasons, subjects like the Big Rat Plague in Esca, 1445 or the Metro System of Tirana wouldn't fit. Also, we should avoid exploring unclaimed countries in this manner.

The current Ill Bethisad Collaboration of the Fortnight is: Franco-Prussian War.   Every fortnight a different topic, stub or non-existent article is picked by nomination.
Please read the nomination text and improve the article any way you can. 

Selecting the next Collaboration of the Fortnight


Please vote for as many of the following candidates as you like. Please add only support votes. Opposing votes will not affect the result, as the winner is simply the one with the most support votes. The current voting session will end on March 25th at 12:00 GMT.


New nominations can be made at any time and should be added at the end of this page. Please use the template.

If the page you are nominating already exists, please add {{IBCOTW candidate|Thispage=Article name}} to the top of its talk page. This expands to:

This article has been nominated as a possible Ill Bethisad Collaboration of the Fortnight. To add your support, go to its listing.


In case of a tie, a special voting round will be launched for the next 24 hours. Users may only vote on one of the tied articles. If there is still a tie, the candidate that was nominated first wins.

Considerations for nominations



If the article is selected as the IBCOTF place the template {{Current IB COTF}} at the top of the selected article's page. This expands to:

This is the current Ill Bethisad Collaboration of the Fortnight! Please help improve it and expand it!

When the article is no longer an IBCOTF, please add the following template to the talk page: {{past ibcotf|Month Day|Year}}, thus {{past ibcotf|January 9|2006}}. This expands to:

Dragon.gif Ill Bethisad Collaboration of the Fortnight was the Ill Bethisad Collaboration of the Fortnight on January 9, 2006.
For details on how the article improved, see the Ill Bethisad Collaboration of the Fortnight history page.


Nominations will be moved to removed if they do not attract attention. An item will be allowed to remain up for voting two weeks per two votes it receives.

Items may also be removed if they are inappropriate for nomination (see Considerations... above)

Please see the Talk Page to discuss to changes in pruning policy.


Please remember to add the reasons for your nomination. Those that vote in support need only sign or add their initials.


Zahir nominated for the following reasons: Recent events in the NAL look to reshape the political landscape there.

First Great War

BoArthur nominated for the following reasons: I've been wanting to see this one sorted out for quite some time. We'll probably have to break this one up into several IBCOTF's.

  • --Zahir If you'll check, I already made some suggestions in the "Talk" section of that article.
  • --Marc Pasquin 07:55, 3 February 2006 (PST)

Scots of Egypt

Zahir nominated for the following reasons: The suggestion was made and seconded by others. Here is one of the delightfully odd details of IB that has, in the opinion of many, not gotten the attention it deserves.


BoArthur nominated for the following reason: There's no information on the page aside a song!


That's not necessarily a Bad Thing. In IB, just because something appears "empty" doesn't make it so. Scotland is presumed to be pretty much like *here*. Elemtilas 15:04, 20 March 2006 (PST)

Yes, I have to concur with that. We do however know more about Scotland than the page says. As far as I can remember, John Cowan wrote some stuff about it, and so did Geoff Eddy in a remote past. The linguistic map of Scotland is quite detailed! In any case, I agree that we should better leave Scotland alone; nobody really needs it at the moment, and who knows an interested caretaker will show up one day. I we want a country for the IBCOTF, I suggest something that cannot be claimed, but that it of imporance to everybody. My first choice would be the HRE. —IJzeren Jan Uszkiełtu? 15:59, 20 March 2006 (PST)

With regard to Scotland, first I think we should collate all which is known about it- it might well flesh out quite a bit just by itself. Deiniol 16:42, 20 March 2006 (PST)
That's actually more in line with what I was thinking of doing.BoArthur 17:01, 20 March 2006 (PST)
That is kinda what I've just done. Zahir 05:33, 21 March 2006 (PST)

Holy Roman Empire

Sikulu nominated for the following reason: The page really needs to be fleshed out. I'll be happy to make some inputs regarding my ideas for it.

I would say to pick a specific point to flesh out first, as this a quite complex and profound subject...BoArthur 02:08, 21 March 2006 (PST)

Any suggestions as for that? As far as I am concerned, it would be worth talking a bit about the political structure of the HRE. How decentralised is it? What is the position of the Emperor? What power to the individual state(let)s have? We've discussed that at numerous occasions, but never really got around to taking any final decisions. I think it would be worth the effort to look a bit more into that, because it's an important country that can't really be neglected.
That said, here are two things for consideration. First, wouldn't it be better to work a bit on the First Great War first? Anything we find there will undoubtedly have its impact on any future work on the HRE. And it's always better to work our way up through history (if we have the choice) than take a current situation as a starting point and manipulate history to explain it (as we often do).
The second thing is this: I'm all in favour of using the HRE for IBCOTF, but only if those of us who have done most work on the HRE (basically, Kristian, Jan II, Ferko and myself) have the time and availability to participate in the discussion. —IJzeren Jan Uszkiełtu? 02:19, 21 March 2006 (PST)

Duly noted and seconded. BoArthur 02:35, 21 March 2006 (PST)
Is the internal structure of the HRE already QSS? Only, it looks too much like the German Confederation *here*. I'd expect it to look more like the Confederation of the Rhine *here*, with some modifications. Any thoughts? --Sikulu 05:18, 21 March 2006 (PST)
Last time we talked about the HRE, the "direction" was towards revival and centralisation -- a sort of snubbing the common German thumb at the interfering post-war Powers. The satellite launch was intended to be something of a shot across the bow of the world. I.e., "Germany is Back!"
For Sikulu: we don't know a whole lot about the internal structure of the HRE in any time, but clearly there was no "unification", no Weimar Republic, no depthless depression after a humiliating loss with resultant uprising of a radically nationalistic regime. Germany before and after the GWII was "pretty much" the same. All we really know was that it was decentralised (probably, the Commonwealth used Germany as a model for the dismantling of China a few years later); that the Emperor remained though probably more as a figurehead. The internal structure -- the imperial system with all its small elector statelets -- is QSS.
For Jan: agreed that those who have worked on it should have their say! I would also like to point out that the current Emperor might just turn out to be Quite the Figure in modern German history... Elemtilas 16:35, 22 March 2006 (PST)

Native States

This aught to be worked on, but no one person (Chlewey)? --Quentin 10:39, 28 March 2006 (PST)

World Games

Sectori nominated for the following reason: It seems to have been sadly neglected, and, seeing as it is an important international event, probably shouldn't be. Basically all that's on the page is a list of events and past times they were held. Surely we can be more complete than that! Do we have any info on the 2006 Winter Festival in Torino? Should we be getting psyched for the 2009 games in Athens? Where is the Winter Festival to be in '09?


The whole 100 sections of it are just history, which should be greatly shortened and places under "History" like most other pages. Plus, it needs a flag and other demographics, instead of the small list it has at the bottom page. Misterxeight 20:39, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

As I wrote on the Conculture list, I disagree. Quoting myself: IB is a place with many participants, and all have their own style, their own interests, their own way of dealing with things. In my opinion, that's a Good Thing we should preserve. I for one like it that Libya's early history is quite elaborated, much more than that of most other countries, including my own (I admit I've been pretty lazy regarding the ancient history of my own stuff). IB Wiki is not Wikipedia and it's nowhere written that every country must have an infobox. BTW, Libya dóes have a flag: .
Besides, Libya is owned by User:Theophilus88. If you have any suggestions regarding Libya, you can submit them to its caretaker. But like I said, be wise and stick to Greece before going over the rest of the world. —IJzeren Jan Uszkiełtu? 21:07, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I didn't say it was going to be a Greek colony, I just said it needs to neatened out. It has no nation infobox and way too much history in it. Misterxeight 21:17, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but that's not what the Collaboration of the Fortnight is for. It's not for developing a single country - especially a country that has a caretaker. Besides, I really disagree with you. How can a country have too much history??? In my opinion it's a great thing if something is really being developed indepth! Owning a country is not merely a matter of filling an infobox, mind. —IJzeren Jan Uszkiełtu? 21:25, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Jan doesn't care much for the uniformity that we see on Wikipedia. He likes the quirky messiness of our various styles, and I'm fine with that, too, although I like the templates. You may wish to contact the caretaker of Libya and suggest that, with a History of Libya page, but at the same time, I agree with Jan...a country is more than an infobox. BoArthur 22:57, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Past Winners

Austro-Prussian War

Marc nominated for the following reasons: Since it replace the franco-prussian war, its bound to have huge ramification on the rest of europe. (NOTE: It does NOT replace Franco-Prussian War, it happend too ;) Jan II.

  • Sikulu
  • IJzeren Jan Uszkiełtu?. I'll support the other two as well, but this one comes chronologically first, and who knows what comes out that can later influence our thoughts about the First Great War?
  • BoArthur, Let us proceed chronologically, then. I move my vote to this, initially.
  • Zahir I agree that starting with this makes sense.
  • Jan II. Well, once I've started this, it would be fair not to put my vote here.

Franco-Prussian War

That is, if this war happened at all, *there*. BoArthur 15:14, 17 April 2008 (PDT)

Isn't it necessary to get a Hohenzollern onto the Imperial throne? Benkarnell 17:04, 17 April 2008 (PDT)