Talk:Lla Dafern

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Bengwenid! Bieńwięty! Moyn moyn! Bemmeinde! Pemmenut! Benvenuto! Welcome! This is Lla Dafern, or, as the Saxon invaders call it, The Pub. It is one of many places where the members of Ill Bethisad enjoy meeting each other informally. It is the place where opinions can be exchanged and questions can be asked concerning Ill Bethisad in general or about topics that do not fit in the Talk compartment of individual wiki pages. It is also the place where technical questions can be asked to the moderators of this wiki. THE MENU: Our chef, whose nationality for reasons of security will remain undisclosed, offers you a broad assortiment of Helvetian and other specialties, such as Montreiano Sea Elephant steaks with rended blubber, or if you prefer a side of Pacific white sided dolphin babyback ribs. He will be more than happy to give you a demonstration of his culinary talents. Just keep your health insurance card ready! And if you aren't particularly hungry today, he will also happily treat you on a rosy-scented Jervan Muscatel, a cool Dumnonian cider, a warm Irish or a cold Batavian beer, or, if you are amongst the more daring, a true Venedic jekwiała. For those who appreciate fine wines we carry the rich red wines of Bordeaux and les Ozarques, Brandy or Montignac, and bin ruper from Hostreht in Xliponia. For the discerning, a good 1984 vintage Arvorec anaf aval is recommended as an apéritif. Especially for minors and teetotallers we also serve Coke, orange juice, goat milk, Italian Limonata, and Neofrancian Spruce beer. If you prefer a more active pursuit to accompany your imbibition, there's a rousing game of puir-man whummlin going on out back. There's even an occasional pickup match of hibercrosse. Cheerio! WARNING: Please don't pay attention to the smoke, the noise and the mess. Watch your steps and don't break your neck over cables, books, broken chairs, empty beer cans, leftovers of cigarettes and snacks...our bus boys get to it when they can... DISCLAIMERS: The management is not responsible for physical or mental damage inflicted upon our guests, especially when it is caused by the food, by the BioCola, by the regular rioting here, or by any other kind of misbehaviour on anyone's part. Any similarity to what the Wikipedians call The Village Pump is not entirely coincidental. NOTA BENE: You can sign your messages by typing ~~~ for just your name and ~~~~ for your name + timestamp.

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Archived 2010-2015

I have made a somewhat bold move and archived the rather long page (which can be found here. I'll save it as 2010-2015.

If you think this move is unwise, feel free to reverse it, but I thought a new Lla Dafern would be good for a new generation.

With all respect Celeste Lavender 08:44, 17 December 2015 (PST)

And I made a mistake. Could someone please delete Talk:Lla Dafern/Archive 19 please? I'm sorry for the mess, I truly am. Celeste Lavender 08:47, 17 December 2015 (PST)

I now just realised that what I did wasn't the right way to archive it.

I deeply apologise for this whole thing. I only wanted to help, and I ended up making a big mess...

With deepest apologises Celeste Lavender 08:56, 17 December 2015 (PST)

Meh, apologies are not needed. All is forgiven, and easily sorted. :) BoArthur 14:06, 30 June 2016 (PDT)

Gweint An!

Ladies and Gents,

This group has been a bright point in my life, and I count myself blessèd to know you, each and every one. Thank you, for letting your nerddom out to play, and helping me to find myself a home among such delightsome folk! BoArthur 14:07, 30 June 2016 (PDT)

Thinking about something

I was thinking about having a certain Diether Drumpf to become the governor that succeeds George Pataki in Castreleon New. What is your opinion? --General tiu 17:43, 17 May 2017 (PDT)

Do you have a Facebook account? Most conversation about IB has shifted there to the group named simply "Ill Bethisad" (not that there's very much). I reckon you'll get more feedback there than here. Misterxeight 20:10, 17 May 2017 (PDT)

...I'd rather we keep him as a businessman. No reason to inflict that sort of pain on the good people of IB. Juanmartinvelezlinares 04:22, 18 May 2017 (PDT)

Actually, that's a better idea. Him as a media mogul would be nice. --General tiu 09:21, 18 May 2017 (PDT)

Replaced Andrew Smith's website links with Steen's mirror

On the "External IB Links" and Kemr. Purely because the mirror's still up while the original has been down for years. If it goes up again, or people object, I'll change it all back again, of course! --Celeste Lavender 15:10, 5 October 2017 (PDT)

Thanks. I think at some point we might need to make a backup of some external site in case they go dark.

Flag Problem

I have a problem with replacing a file. When I upload the new version of the file, the file's appearance stay's the same.

--General tiu 10:20, 22 October 2017 (PDT)

Copyright Infringement Notice

It was discovered on 7 April 2018 that DeviantArt user "3D4D" had, at some point in time, 'copied' the Map of the North American League, along with much text of the Atlas page at www.bethisad.com, claiming it for their own.

A DMCA Takedown Request was requested the same day.

For reference, the 'original work':

http://www.bethisad.com/maps.htm

For reference, the 'copied work':

https://3d4d.deviantart.com/art/North-America-Alternate-Map-2004-411138970

For reference, the thief's DeviantArt page:

https://3d4d.deviantart.com

For reference on DMCA Takedowns:

https://www.dmca.com/faq/What-is-a-DMCA-Takedown

And the offending image has been removed... Elemtilas 17:00, 10 April 2018 (PDT)

Rounders???

Well, Padraic, I see you’re back, at least for the time being, so while I have your ear I’d like to ask about something on the Cuba page. (Actually, I have a couple of other somethings on other topics, but let’s save those for later, shall we?)

Anyway...

Why is rounders mentioned on the Cuba page and literally nowhere else? Cricket is the game that seems to have taken the position of baseball *there*, and rounders would seem to me to be a minority sport at most. Why bring it up on the Cuba page, then, if it has no real importance? It seems internally inconsistent. Why not just keep cricket as the sort-of baseball equivalent in Ill Bethisad?

Sorry if this came off as accosting or aggressive, I don’t really mean to come off like that. It’s just that it’s something that’s been bugging me for a while and I’d like an explanation for it. Juanmartinvelezlinares 07:32, 8 April 2018 (PDT)

Well, not "back" by a long stretch; just wanted to alert folks of the piracy.

As for the reference to 'rounders', I think the intention there might have been that it was the American term for cricket, but there is an obvious inconsistency there. I don't take your tone as accosting or aggressive at all! I'm so far out of the loop anymore: since this is become a cause for concern, I would ask you to fix the inconsistencies as you see fit! Elemtilas 09:14, 8 April 2018 (PDT)

Ah, okay. Thank you so much for your response! Hope you come back some day... Juanmartinvelezlinares 10:06, 9 April 2018 (PDT)

Western PA

Hello everyone, long time no see (gosh, I think it's been over a decade).

Does Pittsburgh exist *there* and if so is it part of Aquanishuonigy, Virginia or Pennsylvania? (There is a mention of Punxatawnet which makes the think the latter). Quentin (talk) 20:46, 7 November 2023 (PST)

• In addition, the description in Aquanishuonigy#Geography seems to be inconsistent with the maps. Quentin (talk)

• Also, Viceregal_College suggests Pennsylvania is under the Cambrian viceroy which is inconsistent with Pennsylvaania#History Quentin (talk) 20:53, 7 November 2023 (PST)

Wow! It feels really nice to be posting in lla Dafern again. I've been locked out for months because I couldn't remember my password.

From the NAL map, it looks like the border out west between Aquanishuonigy and Pennsylvaania is the Ohio and Allegheny Rivers. This would put central Pittsburgh in Pennsylvaania, while north and west of the river would be in Aquanushuonigy. Interestingly, that area was a separate city (Allegheny, Pennsylvania) until 1907.

I would assume that the Allegheny River is considered part of the Ohio itself *there* as it has been by Native cultures here (for instance, if you cross the Allegheny along Interstate-86 in western New York State *here* when you're inside Seneca Nation territory, the sign marking the river says Ohi:yoˀ) and also was by early Colonists. Boroparkpyro

I once tried to draw lines based on those descriptions. I'll see if I still have them.

And oops yeah, and the chart that I made for Commonwealth of Nations lists Pennsylvaania as having no viceroy, i.e. it's "Independent". If you want to be developing the province, yeah it may be high time to sort all that out.

Bengwenid! Benkarnell (talk) 18:48, 21 November 2023 (PST)

I'd definitely be interested in fleshing out Pennsylvania and Aquanishuonigy yea.

The article on Aquanishuonigy lists several cities: do we know where these are? (except for Binghamton) I'm guessing Onodanga is Syracuse *here*?

Yes, Otsiningo = Binghamton, Onondaga City = Syracuse, New Onondaga City = Columbus(?) Boroparkpyro

also, what is the distribution of languages like in PA? Mostly Dutch or Cambrian?

How does the proposal process work- do I need to submit a pull request for review? I don't really use face book.

(*here*, virginia tried to claim up to the allegheny river as yohogania county. As you said, Allegheny, PA was once an independent city. I'm not sure how to "Cambrianise" the name Pittsburgh) Quentin (talk) 12:08, 23 November 2023 (PST)

also, Aquanishuonigy#Geography says:

The Tuscarawas simply moved into the abandoned Fort Pitt where the Monongahela flows into the Ohio

I think i need to plot out everything that is qss and see where it contradicts if at all. Quentin (talk) 12:17, 23 November 2023 (PST)

This is my interpretation of the text in the article. I'm sorry for the extra-fat lines; it was a phase I was going through at the time when I drew that. You can see how Tuscarawa has the area of the city of Allegheny. The point of land comprising Fort Pitt itself is Pennsylvaania, though of course that doesn't preclude it from having a Tuscarawa ethnic composition.

I can post links to Facebook, but the group there is mostly inactive as well. It's been a very slow year.

I know that Pennsylvania has a lot of Germans and English as well as Cambrians. Not many Dutch, I don't think. I'm also not sure how it would break down regionally. Presumably Cambrians would predominate closest to Ter Mair. I wonder if there are significant numbers of Swedes as well. Benkarnell (talk) 14:05, 25 November 2023 (PST)

I would assume that the vast majority of "dutch" *there* would be people of german descent who speak what is refered to *here* as "Pennsylvania Dutch" ("Pennsilfaanisch Deitsche"). The name comes from a confusion by outsiders between the english word dutch and german word "Deutsch" meaning german. Marc pasquin (talk)

I did a ton of fleshing out of Ter Mair and the adjoining regions. As Pennsylvania and the province whose name I can't spell for the life of me are slowly about to get fleshed out, can I dump my stuff here so that no one accidentally contradicts the other? Misterxeight (talk) 13:41, 3 December 2023 (PST)

Aquanishuonigy... dump away. Benkarnell (talk) 07:48, 4 March 2024 (PST)