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Serbia

Hi, BoArthur. I'm new to IBWiki and to entire this IB thing and as I understood this all, there are people who represent some countries and edit articles about them, make news from these countries, etc. So I'm wondering could I "get" Serbia? Are there any people who represent it? I see you have created the article. I'm actually from Serbia *here* (although my town is a part of Sanjak *there*... Have I used *here* and *there* correctly? As I understood, *here* is our world, and *there* is IB world, right? :)). --George D. Bozovic (talk) 15:50, 12 July 2006 (PDT)

P.S. I must say I'm very interested in Ill Bethisad! I enjoy making alternate histories and conlangs and drawing maps in private. I'm a very big geography-history-and-linguistics-fan. Let's say like that... :) --George D. Bozovic (talk) 15:55, 12 July 2006 (PDT)

Serbosanjaki

Would you please note that I have quite a different opinion about Serbosanjaki language concept. I would rather use term Serbian instead, but I believe that Sanjak officials would like to call their language Sanjaki. Look at my post at Talk:CSDS.

George, actually, I only copied all the articles. Serbosanjaki is something that Frank/Dalmatinac came up with, and you would really have to take the discussion with him. He's very approachable, and I know that he'll willingly have some help. BoArthur 18:03, 12 July 2006 (PDT)

OK, thank you. --George D. Bozovic (talk) 18:15, 12 July 2006 (PDT)

Serbia again

It's Djordje, not Dzordji, but never mind. Could you please explain it some more? How should a common proposal look like actually? --George D. Bozovic (talk) 14:48, 13 July 2006 (PDT)

Generally, Dzordji :), (sorry about the misspelling) a proposal is very often parsed to look like a wiki page. Some really excellent examples are: [1], [2], [3]. But they don't have to look just like this.

Here are some proposals from the archive:

[4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9].

Here's a proposal that just didn't quite fit into IB: [10].

And here's my first goings on in IB: [11]. I basically started asking questions, said my point of view on some things, said "what do you all think about this idea?" and it went from there. :) I look forward to your proposals and participation!

Cheers! BoArthur 15:05, 13 July 2006 (PDT)

Thank you very much. But I still can't make a proposal, because I'm not quite sure about Serbia's history *there*. I have to wait for Ferko to tell me something more about how boundaries of Serbia fit into the known boundaries of its neighbouring states. That's the only thing I need and it's very important and I just don't know it. I just can't figure it out from the existing articles. Ferko was writing about Dalmatia respectivelly. I need maps, I have to see the historical maps of the Balkans to understand everything. Ferko's maps show only Dalmatia, again... :( --George D. Bozovic (talk) 15:14, 13 July 2006 (PDT)

Cultural Sphere

The talk on Dick Webster's page reminded me, what do you think might be the shared cultural items between Louisianna and New Francy (and the rest of the ex-French Empire) ? I had written something a possible movie genre Babiche but I'm also wondering about TV shows, Bd, etc... --Marc Pasquin 17:48, 14 July 2006 (PDT)

Hm. I hadn't thought of that. Would LA and NF share with France, as well? I had always thought, until the Louisiannans developped their own cultural identity they were deeply influenced by France. What do you think?

I'll have to think of that. If Asterisk exists *there*, I'm sure that it is cross-national, as would be other cultural things, but I don't think that anything that was not made in Francien would get poor reception in Louisianne. BoArthur 11:37, 15 July 2006 (PDT)

Gallosphere

I was thinking of a more widely reaching thing then that. *here*, you have many countries that have sub-cultures which though different (and sometime of completely different origins) are nonetheless considered part of the overall culture. For example, The cajun and texan cultures arose due to different situations (and ethnic influences) but both would still, on some level, be considered part of a Bostonian "heritage". To put it another way, they might be a bit exotic to him but less so then a Canadian maritime culture which is both geographicaly and ethnicaly closer.

In the same vein, colonies (previous or current) might spread all across the motherland's empire to other colonies which have no direct contact with it. Indian food outlet, for exemple, is omnipresent in many current or former British Colonies and has entered the local cultures to the point that some "indian foods" (like the infamous chicken vindaloo) are actualy found only in indian restaurants outside of India.

So, my idea was to figure out what the common cultural elements might be in France and its current and former colonies, the "Gallosphere" for short (not an actual organisation but just a term equivalent to "latin america" for example). Some that come to mind (feel free to add, remove):

Restaurants

• Gaulhosc "Crepes-Brulees" joints
• Algerian Take away
• Cajun Restaurants
• "Sugarshack-style" Laurentian Restaurants

You'll have to explain that to me.

sugarshacks (cabanes-à-sucre) are part of Quebec tradition. Its the place where they make maple syrup but you can also go there (usualy as a group) to eat meals (most of which contain syrup) and are usualy entertained by musicians playing Quebec folk music. You usualy go there in spring with your whole family, school or office (though now some are open year long). To give you an idea:

http://www.cabaneasucre.com/en/indexen.html

http://www.tremblant-sugar-shack.com/

http://www.erabliere-lac-beauport.qc.ca/anglais/menu-a.htm

I'm sure they'd also be popular across that whole area (AQ and NE), as maple sugar products are a going concern in that region *here* too. Elemtilas 18:43, 18 July 2006 (PDT)

• fondue joints

In my mind fondue is particularly Swiss...would it even exist like we know it *here* *there*?

Fondue is so much more then that. The cheese type is your entree but for your main you usualy have Fondue Bourguignone (meat cubes in oil) or Fondue Chinoise (meat strips in broth) and of course Chocolate Fondue for dessert. *There* it might simply be generic Alpine.

Sorry. My uncultured American was rearing his ugly head. Yes that makes sense...If Fondue Bourguignonne is truly from bourgogne, it will be immensely popular in LA, as a lot of immigrants are from Bourgogne, hence the trilled Louisiannan R. I would think they may have even worked up other forms of fondue.

Maybe there is a spicy Telou version. a Cajun seafood base one is also a possibility. --Marc Pasquin 10:26, 5 August 2006 (PDT)

• Haytian Buffet

Would there be the Cuisine Pied Noir as well? A fusion of French/Gaulhosc and Algerian cooking? And instead of Tex-Mex, would there be Tex-Lou, a fusion of Cajun and Texan foods?

regarding the pied noir, could be (do you know if there is *here* ?). I don't realy know what tex-mex is so you would know better (realy hot barbecue steak ?).

Tex Mex is toned down mexican food, basically burritos/tacos/nachos. As for Pied Noir, I don't think there was a chance for it to take hold *here* because the French didn't mix with the Algerians much, hence the bloody civil war in the 60s and loss of the territory. I'm sure *there* it was different. I'll have to think about it.

My friends and I like to make fun of Tex-Mex as Mexican food made by Americans who can't take much heat. As for there, it would have to be tej-lou, or maybe tejlou? In LA maybe Loutej? :). Doobieous 15:07, 18 July 2006 (PDT)

So it would be TéLou or LouTé, or Loutezh... :)

Some could use specific terms (a la "Pizzeria") and there could be a chain or two. One name to avoid probably is "Bistro" which comes from the russian word for "quick" and arose out of the occupation of Paris after the defeat of Napoleon.

That's interesting. Would Bistro be current in any languages, then? Or would it be relating to GWII?

I don't think it would exist at all. While not impossible, the circumstances that lead to its adoption (a bunch of russians soldiers yelling "Quick, quick" at the staff of a new style of dining establishment) makes it unlikely. Maybe we can come up with an equivalent.

Where would it have developped from, do you think? (the equivalent).

Maybe something along "Bouffe-minute" or "Vitvite". --Marc Pasquin 10:26, 5 August 2006 (PDT)

Cinema

• Cloak-and-Sword movies ("films de capes et d'epees")
• Babiche movies

I'm assuming the first would be more along the lines of Cyrano de Bergerac, etc, right?

Yup. usualy 17-18th century guys with swords and quick repartee. Used to love them as a kid.

Literature

• Most Romance Novels is of the photo-novel type (a magazine size comics but with photographies instead of drawing).
• Comics are publishes weekly in anthology magazines. They can also be found in hardcover albums (that contain all the weekly instalements of a given story or an original one) publishes at longer interval (once a year or less). Waloonia is considered the Gallosphere's comic publishing center (since *here* its belgium). Lousianna and New Francy might receive some other types of comics through the NAL but it probably is more of a niche market then a mainstream one (*here* in quebec you can find US type comics but apart from Batman or Superman, most people would have a better chance of naming franco-belgian characters then super-heroes).

This could be quite interesting to explore further.

I wonder if there would be comic cross-overs between LA and NAL that would result in 'uber-battles' between the LA Villain-hero and the NAL super-person?

Maybe. I'm not sure how well the style would gel though. --Marc Pasquin 10:26, 5 August 2006 (PDT)

• Crime Novels more often then not center on a master criminal (Arsene Lupin, Fantomas). When the protagonist is a "good guy", he is probably a policeman, not a private detective or an amateur.

That's typical French, where it's not necessarily the good guy, but someone that's very crafty that's the focus and the "hero." American fiction/film is rather bland that way.

Find reprint of the comics "Grendel" by Matt Wagner. The protagonist in the first one was a criminal genius.

I'll have to. :)

• "Pure" Fantasy (a la Tolkien) and Science-Fiction (a la Bradbury) probably isn't particularly popular outside of some fan circles who read foreign writers. Instead, you would have the generic "Fantastique" sub-genre of other styles.
• Adventure Litterature: a journalist (Tintin, Spirou, Rouletabille) or other type of globetrotters (Bob Morane, Ric Hochet) get drawn into various intrigues. This type of litterature is the one most likely to adopt elements of the "Fantastique" style with hidden ancient kingdoms, mad scientists, aliens, etc...

Science fiction would be more popular in LA than France, as we have Eugenio Roddenberry's Voyage Aux Etoiles and Siji Cherryh who have been quite prolific. They've been popular enough in LA to branch over into the NAL. I don't know what that would do to NF or France, but there you go.

Fair enough. Maybe Louisianna is considered the source of gallo-style sci-fi.

That works. :)

Music

• Jass might be either still considered a typicaly Louisiannan style of music (like Jamaican music, foreign singers might even put on an accent when singing) or its could have developt various regional styles.

What about Fuzio or Zaydeco?

I know the second (Zachary Richard is quite well known in Quebec), whats Fuzio ?

Fuzio's something Padraic mentioned on the music article...it vaguely has to do with LA, I believe...

Jass developed *there* much like *here*, creeping up out the bayoux and along the Mississipi (both sides) until at last reaching big cities like St. Louis (both) and Chicago. By the 1910s, it was making great strides and was mainstream by the late teens / twenties. It continued to evolve into the classical American music we know *here*, and also led to the development of swing and various styles of balladry not much unlike some forms of rock *here* (perhaps the more "folky" sort). Like various fusion musics *here* (Celtic rock, etc), Jass *there* was taken up by many peoples in the later XX century and made into new musical forms; and one of the more popular was / is "fuzio". It's basically Celtic rock with a side of zidico.

I don't know what path Jass took in Louisianne -- perhaps a more conservative one? -- add to the mix all the oldtimey music, tonky-joint, blues, R&B, rag and that's pretty much the story of Music for the NAL. Elemtilas 18:55, 18 July 2006 (PDT)

• There could be a famous music channel/ tv show / venue where many singers from all over the gallosphere have had their start.

I like this idea.

Varia

• Circus: troups within the gallosphere might be closer to "Cirque du Soleil" then "Barnum and Bayleys". It could be that "Le Cirque du Roi Soleil" *there* is simply one of the most popular troups of its genre and not the only one.

I wonder what would've become of Mr. Barnum in IB...

Maybe he had a big influence on the Commonwealth's circuses. --Marc Pasquin 10:26, 5 August 2006 (PDT)

• Within the Gallosphere, most people might refered to Gaulh/gauhlosc as Narbonne/narbonnais to avoid confusion with ancient Gaul. This would be similar to most people in Spain and its former colonies using the word "Castilan" ("from castille") for spanish. As in that case (such as the cattalan), some in southern france that speak a different language of OC (like the gascons or the basques) might see themselves as having just has much right to the term "Gauhlosc" (since their culture is native to that part of the world) and so would present themselves as "from Gaulh but not narbonese".

That would make sense to me.

• there could be a cultural group that has chapters in various part of the Gallosphere who's stated goal is promoting not a particular language but what they see as the "common gallic heritage". They be non-governmental and would sponsor exchange programs (students, artist, worker of a given field, etc...), pan-gallosphere festivals and cultural fairs. The founder(s) could have been a philanthrope with an idealised view of ancestral french history or intelectuals speaking various patois who wanted to protect their culture against francian by encouraging diversity within the gallosphere. Could be the "Charlemagne Clubs" or something that sound old and/or neutral.

Sacré Charlemagne! ;) Yes, I like this as well.

Obviously, this doesn't mean you wouldn't get import from other culture but I think it would be interesting to figure out what it the basic "cultural space" of the Gallosphere (that term can be change incidently if you have a better idea).

I think Gallosphere is a wonderful term. Well coined.

PS: Asterisk is most definetly bretton --Marc Pasquin 19:01, 16 July 2006 (PDT)

Would it be popular in France? I know all the little kids while I lived there would go on and on about it, and the movie they made was very much a big thing for them. BoArthur 11:04, 17 July 2006 (PDT)

You bet. And the second live one (mission cleopatre) was better and closer to the spirit of the series. and les 12 traveaux d'Asterix was the best cartoon. and I'm going on and on about it now. big fan I am. --Marc Pasquin 18:41, 17 July 2006 (PDT)

Actualy, now that I think of it, what might be popular in France (especialy Francy) might be a character who is a Frank. In the same way that Asterisk *here* was originaly a metaphor for the survival of french culture in the face of a perceived anglo-saxon encroachement, *there*, the stories might centered on a federative, multi-national duchy faced with barbarians from the outside. There actualy was a (much less popular and witty) strip *here* called "Dicentim le Franc" where the often seen bad guy was "Ethula", warlord of a hord of barbarians called "Les Huns et les Zotres". --Marc Pasquin 10:26, 5 August 2006 (PDT)

I like this idea, too. :) BoArthur 19:39, 5 August 2006 (PDT)

Feasts/hollidays

Another category I just thought about: beside the strictly religious, what days might be special in the gallospere ?

• Mardis Gras: no explaination neede
• Mi-careme: the sorta-equivalent to halloween (in that you get disguised). *here* it is only celebrated in a few villages nowaday (although it use to be bigger) and has nothing to do with religion anymore. To give you an idea: http://collections.ic.gc.ca/micareme/

--Marc Pasquin 10:26, 5 August 2006 (PDT)

Why not! I quite like the idea. Would this possibly supplant Halloween in some places? Or would both be celebrated? Or would Halloween be on the descendent not ascendent like here because there was no American cultural imperialism? BoArthur 19:52, 5 August 2006 (PDT)

Just sent you something...

Yeah, I did. Cheers, —IJzeren Jan ^Uszkiełtu? 07:57, 11 August 2006 (PDT)

To work, home or both? BoArthur 08:02, 11 August 2006 (PDT)

Both. One to sento, the other to yahoo. —IJzeren Jan ^Uszkiełtu? 08:04, 11 August 2006 (PDT)

Got it. Thanks! :) Always appreciate your input. :)BoArthur 08:20, 11 August 2006 (PDT)

Wita Warsinie

Thank you for the new logo! It was on my to-do-list for quite a while, but somehow could never convince myself into actually doing it. Great! —IJzeren Jan ^Uszkiełtu? 23:57, 21 September 2006 (PDT)

Pzhalusta. BoArthur 00:08, 22 September 2006 (PDT)

excuse me, it was an error ;) Jan II.

Saint-Pierre-et-Miquelon

Dan, could you have a look at this and give me some feedback ? Saint-Pierre-et-Miquelon --Marc Pasquin 08:02, 17 November 2006 (PST)

Neogallican Civil War

If you could review the article and add/remove/change things in regard to Louisianna: Neogallican_Civil_War --Marc Pasquin 16:14, 18 January 2007 (PST)

Thanks, I've reviewed it and left a note. I like it very much! BoArthur 12:10, 19 January 2007 (PST)

Maybe its going to jump in my face but I can't find your note --Marc Pasquin 17:42, 21 January 2007 (PST)

Fortunately, I have. David was confused about the use of the word "counters". I believe you meant trading posts. --Sikulu 07:55, 22 January 2007 (PST)

Lucky Luke

I don`t know if your familiar with the belgian comic "Lucky Luke", a humouristic series about a cowboy. If not:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucky_Luke

anyway, I read recently that Morris (its creator) decided in the eighties to have him stop smoking and drinking for fear of the example it set for the kiddies. This got me thinking that its equivalent in IB could be a mormon missionary bringing justice with his bible and gun to the Louisianan frontier (not shooting people, just their guns).

One question, the names that poped in my mind considering the francophone environment were either "Lucien Lachance" or "Victor Veinard" but I'd be curious to know if some mormons parents use names from the book of Mormon for their kids (in a matter similar to some protestant using old testament names). --Marc Pasquin 07:48, 10 March 2007 (PST)

Mostly the names that I've seen used are Ammon, Aaron, Helaman, Nephi, Lehi. If you wanted to pull a name from the Book of Mormon, why not. :) BoArthur 12:51, 10 March 2007 (PST)

Lehi Lachance it is then. is there a stereotypical way of dress associated with 19th century mormon settlers ? --Marc Pasquin 11:27, 23 March 2007 (PDT)

Not any different than those of the 19th century here, as far as I would say. They might have more beards, I don't know, for sure, though. BoArthur 11:53, 23 March 2007 (PDT)

Nobility

You might want to have a look at these: Nobility in Saint Domingo‎ Nobility in the Gallosphere

Diplomatic Relations in the Gallosphere‎

Have a look and add something if needed:

Diplomatic Relations in the Gallosphere‎

Conculture

I tried one of your email but just to be sure, I'm posting this here:

I have re-joined the conculture mailing (due to popular demands) but my messages seem to show up a day late. Could you have a look to see if I'm moderation or something ?

--Marc Pasquin 11:09, 26 April 2007 (PDT)

I've fixed it...thanks for bringing it to my attention, Marc. :) BoArthur 12:48, 26 April 2007 (PDT)

Thanks--Marc Pasquin 13:04, 26 April 2007 (PDT)

Algeria

Have you given some more thoughts to the status of Algeria ? As I mentioned before, I think it would make more sense for it to be divided in a number of department and instead of being part of Gaulh, being part of the Oversea Community.--Marc Pasquin 09:14, 6 May 2007 (PDT)

Oh. I thought I had; what you're suggesting makes complete sense to me, that it be part of the communautés of France, just as Francie and Gaulhe. It sounds good to me! BoArthur 13:32, 7 May 2007 (PDT)

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_d%C3%A9partements_fran%C3%A7ais_d'Alg%C3%A9rie

SV/Mariner Crossover?

I was wondering if you had any reaction to my proposed crossover? Zahir 13:56, 28 August 2007 (PDT)

You need to see this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yGiKpFukQk You'll thank me. Really. Zahir 14:09, 17 September 2007 (PDT)

You are amazing Zahir. How did you find this? BoArthur 16:28, 18 September 2007 (PDT)

I've left the last three eps of Mariner empty. Is that a good spot for the proposed Xover this time? Zahir 17:09, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

That'll work great. Looking at everything that's gone on in Season 6 of SV2245 and what's going on with your folks, any ideas? BoArthur 20:57, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Been soooooo busy lately! New supervisors at work, several dance shows, a whole lot of writing, etc. Anyway...

As you may have gathered from the latest article posted from NAL Today, the show Mariner is about to undergo a retooling. In other words, I'm going to have a hilarious time turning it into a piece of total garbage (which of course leads to its cancellation). The new season will be an apalling parody of what it once was--not least because this is something I don't think we've seen done here in IB, plus I think it would be funny to read, and also because I'm tired. Please feel free to add to the nonsense as it unfolds (there will be a brilliant child, and his dog, and at once point there will be leprecauns).

Yep, I'm evil. <g>

But to return to the crossover. The most likely focus in my mind would be the discovery of an artificial wormhole left over by the Eldren, which allows the two starships to communicate, then plan to use the device to send Vanguard home. Of course the various factions of the Antilles Cluster want to fight it out for control of this wormhole device, resulting in a battle that will likely destroy said device and seriously damage Mariner. Thus the season ends on a cliffhanger (much like Blake's Seven come t think of it) about who survived. Ta-dah! Whatdyathink? Zahir 16:00, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

I like the crossover storyline. Could we also--once Mariner's been cancelled--resurrect it at some point in the future, returning to basics and moving forward from there? A bit like Sliders and the Stargate series?

Also, what do you think of doing a "Lost In Space" type storyline? IB needs a Korey the Kawar (Robbie the Robot). BoArthur 15:47, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I suppose resurrecting Mariner is a possibility, but I'll have to see how I feel.

The only reason I wasn't going to introduce a robot is that the show already has one--Magnus the android. But yeah, Lost in Space is the kind of thing I'm aiming at--carrot monsters and all, with some dashes of Buck Rogers and Space Rangers plus the original Battlestar Galactica and Space Academy. Zahir 16:44, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

When I said storyline, I mistyped...I meant another series. I'm starting it now, actually Star Wanderers. Let me know what you think. I'm going to shoot more for the Campy end of the spectrum, too. BoArthur 17:44, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I saw that! So Korey the Kawar will be there, yes? Zahir 19:48, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, indeed. I'm trying to make a multinational cast--if you want to find/add some folks from Centro/Sul America and other places around the world...even Henua, that would be acceptable. BoArthur 19:55, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Kai-reka-avai koe!

Thanks for fixing my typos. I'm actually quite embarrassed by the things I allowed to slip past me (I'd never let my students get away with such things)! Benkarnell 05:42, 20 September 2007 (PDT)

That's why I use Firefox 2.0 with the built in spell check... because I'm just as bad. BoArthur 17:04, 20 September 2007 (PDT)

Luxemburg

I hope I haven't stepped on your toes by adding some QAA stuff to Luxemburg. Benkarnell 00:07, 6 January 2008 (PST)

Not really, no; I pretty much just moved it to this wiki from the old one. BoArthur 16:03, 7 January 2008 (PST)

Gallosphere

Did you receive my email regarding the future of the gallosphere ?--Marc Pasquin 14:48, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

I didn't...unless you sent it to my yahoo. I haven't logged in there in a while. I'll check it today. BoArthur 17:07, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Turkey

Are you the caretaker of Turkey? Misterxeight 23:12, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Alas, no. It is Theophilus. But I am Illuminatus-one of the three folks that have been here the longest and watch over the whole fabric of IB. BoArthur 13:53, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Ah, thank you! :) Misterxeight 23:53, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Georgian flag

Hi Dan! Why did you just upload a snorist Georgian flag first and subsequently delete it? I had a quick peek at it and liked the result, but now I see it's gone. :(

FWIW, I had an idea for Georgia. To use the bordeaux flag with a black-'n'-white canton as Georgia's pre-1993 flag (including the snorist era). But that should by no means make your flag impossible. It could substitute my idea, or eventually be used as a royal flag or something. Cheers, —IJzeren Jan ^Uszkiełtu? 18:11, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

I didn't like the way Paint saved it as a JPG--I was going to bring it back as a PNG, resize it, etc. And I like what you suggest too...I'll put up some suggestions. BoArthur 22:05, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

I'd love to see what your idea is--from the article, the SNOR movement only lasted from 1945 to 1954, and then it was subverted by a new King, which to me would indicate a change of flags, as well. What do you think?