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Persian-Iraaq War

Just a thought. For Egypt it has been proposed that Nasser came to power on a wave of PanArab Nationalism that briefly created the United Arab Rebublic. However, following the latter's collapse after a military coup in Syria, the Khedive was restored in Egypt--the Khedives very carefully playing the "religion" card to counter-balance the overt secularism of the Nationalists. This created a particular stalemate in Egypt as far as certain social tensions go.

But the idea and urge for PanArab Nationalism was not limited to Egypt. It was a very natural and obvious result of recent Middle Eastern history. However, because both the Arab peoples and Islam itself is less widespread, this movement is not as universal as it is *here*.

My suggestion is that Iraaq was the next place where a strong PanArab Nationalist government arose, but unlike Egypt this time they played the religion card. Another way to put it was that the PanArabs were led by Muslim clerics. In other words Iraaq underwent some version of what *here* was the Iranian Revolution. It need not be even particularly tyranical. Classical Islam was tolerant of other religions, but did impose a tax on non-believers. Perhaps they only persecute followers of Zoroastrianism? On the other hand, maybe they had an extremist wing a la the Jacobins or Taliban? Either way, historically one way to unite a country or a people has always been to find an ENEMY to demonize and Persia might serve that purpose nicely. More, there's likely the old standby of border disputes.

proposed flag of Iraai Arab Republic

Might that work? Along those lines I'd like to suggest a slightly different flag, more in keeping with what we seem to be establishing vis-a-vis Middle Eastern history. Zahir 13:56, 4 December 2005 (PST)


There's some information on ‘Iraaq over at Al-Basra. That's what's known so far. Steg Boroparkpyro

Aha! Thank you very much! Are we to assume therefore that Iraaq's present is akin that of Argentina or Chile *here*, states reclaiming themselves after a long rule by dictatorial regimes? Zahir 16:04, 4 December 2005 (PST)
Makes sense to me! Steg Boroparkpyro


Basra

Basra is in Al-Basra, not Iraaq. Deiniol 15:57, 4 December 2005 (PST)

Al-Basra is also larger than the province of Al-Basra proper. Steg (Boroparkpyro 16:20, 5 December 2005 (PST))

Flags and their Meanings

Since there has been a major regime change in Iraaq, it makes most sense to me that the country probably has a new flag. As a matter of historical perspective...

You might want to get rid of the lettering (or have different one), that's saddam hussein's handwritting (that why they switched *here* to a kufic script recently).--Marc Pasquin 16:56, 5 December 2005 (PST)
  • 1. the flag listed on the FOIB website

    1. the flag listed on the FOIB website

  • 2. my first suggestion, which eliminates the red, white and black for two tones of green as with the flag of Egypt. The words spell out "Allah Akbar" ("God is Greater")

    2. my first suggestion, which eliminates the red, white and black for two tones of green as with the flag of Egypt. The words spell out "Allah Akbar" ("God is Greater")

  • 3. here is the flag proposed (and quickly rejected) by the provisional government *here*

    3. here is the flag proposed (and quickly rejected) by the provisional government *here*

  • 4. the original flag of the Republic of Iraq *here* (Al-Basra *there*)

    4. the original flag of the Republic of Iraq *here* (Al-Basra *there*)

  • 5. the flag of Iraq *here* when it first gained independence under King Faysal. The two heptagonal stars refered to the fourteen provinces of the Iraqi Kingdom.

    5. the flag of Iraq *here* when it first gained independence under King Faysal. The two heptagonal stars refered to the fourteen provinces of the Iraqi Kingdom.

  • 6. here is my most recent proposal--the green and green Arab Nationalism, but with a crescent instead of a star (to distinguish from Saddam's regime) and the motto Allah Akbar as a point of Muslim solidarity and pride

    6. here is my most recent proposal--the green and green Arab Nationalism, but with a crescent instead of a star (to distinguish from Saddam's regime) and the motto Allah Akbar as a point of Muslim solidarity and pride

  • 7. another variation

    7. another variation

  • 8. and another

    8. and another

  • 9. one more

    9. one more

  • 10. and one more again

    10. and one more again

What do you think? Zahir 16:35, 4 December 2005 (PST)

Well, I don't like monochrome, personally; would you mind making up one with the green white and red with the crescent and allah akbar? (For comparison purposes, if anything?) BoArthur 21:03, 4 December 2005 (PST)
Okay. I've actually added several more for consideration. Zahir 21:25, 4 December 2005 (PST)
The Original Flag (vertical stripes with sun-looking thing) is the flag of Al-Basra *there*. see here. I support the "rejected *here*" Mesopotamia flag, with the blue and yellow and blue stripes. Maybe if the crescent was green, though? I like the idea of them *there* picking the rejected one. Steg. Boroparkpyro 16:20, 5 December 2005 (PST)
Also, why is Green-on-Green Arab Nationalism? There's still the original Arab Revolt flag, now the flag of the Hijaaz. I thought the Egyptian green-on-green was supposed to represent a merger of the Arab Green and the Scots (=Irish) Green. Steg. Boroparkpyro 16:22, 5 December 2005 (PST)
I like numbers 7 and 9. As I told Zahir privately, I might even like to see them elongated to see what they look like. BoArthur 16:49, 5 December 2005 (PST)
I'd be partial to something that keep the pan-arabic colours

The green-on-green I was thinking harkened to the idea that "green" is a color sacred to Islam and hence might be viewed as in some sense "Arabic." However the colors red, black, white and green are very common in Arabic states. I myself am partial to 7 and 9 as well. Zahir 18:43, 5 December 2005 (PST)

Abdul Karim Qassim

Hi everybody. I made a proposal about a biography on Qassim's life. You can find it at the discussion page (10th May). I hope you will like it. User:Pedromoderno

Religions

Wouldn't there be a number of Zoroastrians on the East side, by Persia? Persia, IIRC, is Zoroastrian in IB. BoArthur

That's a good question. *here* the majority of Iraq are shia like in Iran so would *there* the majority be zoroastrians ? --Marc Pasquin 23:49, 6 September 2007 (PDT)
Depends on how the Islamic conquests went *there*. It's QSS that Islam was stopped in Iran -- presumably at some (easrlier) eastern counterpart to the Battle of Tours. I've always been under the assumption that Iraaq is largely Moslem *there*, with a minority of Christians, Manesians, Zoroastrians and probably some Jews as well. Presumably, there might be some Yazidis as well. Elemtilas 09:18, 7 September 2007 (PDT)
Well, regardless, I think it merits having there be mention of Zoroastrians in the article, non? BoArthur 11:04, 7 September 2007 (PDT)
Vraiment! Hope the reworded statement suffices. Next question on the list is: What is "Xo"? Elemtilas 12:58, 7 September 2007 (PDT)
Is it supposed to be Xintò? BoArthur 13:57, 7 September 2007 (PDT)
Why would Shinto even rank? Unless there are communities of Japanese living in Iraaq, I don't see as how that could be the answer. From what I've read of Shinto, it's not really a religion you can convert to, as it is quintessetially Japanese. I wonder if it might be some pre-Islamic, pre-Christian (perhaps pre- or at least peri-Zoroasrian religion)? Elemtilas 14:24, 7 September 2007 (PDT)
It could be like *here* having a minority sunni group in power with the rest of the population being a different group.--Marc Pasquin 21:10, 7 September 2007 (PDT)

ecological catastrophe

recently i was speaking with one of my colleague who is ecologist of marshes. he told me, that in Iraq *here*, Saddam Hussain had terrorised shia people in the Basra region by eco-terror. he started big draining of marshes, which were rich source of life support for people in south. he culturally and economically destroyed whole region. this guy, who i am talking about, is in charge of re-creation of this marshes. he says, that they succeeded in many cases, but in many other the ecological catastrophe is so deep, that it cannot be turned back. when the sweet water was taken off, salty water from sea came and had salinated many regions, where now the marshes cannot be brought back. so, if you are searching for a good reason for an Ecotopic revolution, this might be one. Jan II. 03:59, 8 September 2007 (PDT)

Proposal? QSS?

Iraaq's article is being as work in progress status already for a long time. Much of what is written there became QSS over the years. I'm wondering if Iraaq's article shouldn't become a QSS article by now or at least a proposal as it is much more developed than others so as it gave origin to a good number of QSS articles.--Pedromoderno 01:02, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

As far as I'm concerned this might as well be QSS. I don't usually need to reference Iraaq very much, but I'd probably treat what's here as QSS anyway if I did. So go ahead. - Geoff 11:24, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
You've built up such a body of work on the Middle East, and this is part of it. I vote yes. Benkarnell 13:52, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
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