Talk:Samoo kaj Polinezio

About the King

If it is a republic then I doubt they would recognise the king as their head of state. Rather, they would probably do like pakistan (a republic but still commonwealth member) do *here* and recognise Pedr V only as one of the Commonwealth's Head.

--Marc Pasquin 17:38, 18 February 2006 (PST)

Area?

What islands does this nation contain? And how did they come to adopt Esperanto as a language? Nik 01:44, 19 February 2006 (PST)

Samoo kaj Polinezio covers what is *here* - French Polynesia, the Cook Islands, Niue, American Samoa and Western Samoa. Most of this vast expanse is derelict, Rondurobo cities, of which Nova Jerusalemo is the only one left, home to apx. 200 inhabitants, and is located on *here*'s Papeete.--Quentin 13:31, 19 February 2006 (PST)

From Lla Dafern

In Samoo kaj Polinezio, why is the flag huge? --Quentin 23:53, 18 February 2006 (PST)

Because AFAIK the software is unable to resize external images. So what you need to do in such situation is linking to an image with the correct size. What is often the case in Wikipedia is that the images themselves are huge but in the articles they are resized. So you simple take the version that's used in the article. Anyway, I've done that. Should be okay now.

Another thing, however, is that I can see little chance for your proposal to get through. The status of Esperanto in IB is a bit unclear (see Talk:Esperanto), but there are three things we know for sure:

1. Zamenhof was nót born in the Russian Empire, but in the RTC;
2. Esperanto *there* is different from what it is *here*;
3. Esperanto is far less successful *there*.

—IJzeren Jan ^Uszkiełtu? 01:35, 19 February 2006 (PST)

But we don't know yet what the rest of the proposal entails, or just how essential Esperanto is to the whole idea. Zahir 09:40, 19 February 2006 (PST)

Interesting. I'll rework my proposal to fit this.

Samoo kaj Polinezio covers what is *here* - French Polynesia, the Cook Islands, Niue, American Samoa and Western Samoa. Most of this vast expanse is derelict, Rondurobo cities, of which Nova Jerusalemo is the only one left, home to apx. 200 inhabitants, and is located on *here*'s Papeete.--Quentin 13:32, 19 February 2006 (PST)

For that matter, harking to Ytterbion, why, exactly, would the natives of the islands in question want to learn a *there* non-notable auxillary language? Why wouldn't a local pigeon or creole develop. Also, why would these islands confederate? Please include information in your proposal to this end, as some of what you suggest is extremely divergent, and hard to swallow at first view. I'm not saying it's not possible, but you'll have to explain, just as was done with Felipese. You'll note that it is now more or less accepted into IB, as is possible with your proposal, but it will need to be deeply fleshed out. BoArthur 14:32, 19 February 2006 (PST)

I was wondering about this when I saw it pop up on the recent changes page. It had me curious as to how could Esperanto be the language of all of these different island groups. Did they drop their native languages? If so, why? What exactly is meant by "derelict, Rondurobo cities"? I'm not familiar with the term "Rondurobo". Does this mean all of the islands except the island where the city of "Nova Jerusalemo" are abandoned? Did the people go back to a tribal village lifestyle? As Bo says, we'll need this more fleshed out before it cam become fully accepted (although it *is* possible). Doobieous 17:02, 19 February 2006 (PST)

If the proposer want something akin to esperanto, why not create an auxlang with esperanto as an unspoken inspiration but using polynesian roots instead ? You would still have the same philosophy but making more sense then having polynesian learning a basicaly romance language. --Marc Pasquin 15:21, 19 February 2006 (PST)

Now that is a proposition I could get behind. An ideologically similar auxlang in Polynesia. That fits the character of IB much better! BoArthur

Pan-Polynesian? Quite an interesting idea.  :-) I'm not too crazy about such a large area, either. It seems like this Samoo kaj Polinezio is basically everything not already claimed. There have already been some tentative claims to that area, see Pacific States. I'd like to see at least some of those developed, instead of just grouping everything into one big Esperanto-speaking state Nik 22:11, 19 February 2006 (PST)

I have to agree with Nik and Dan here. Quentin, it's only twelve days ago that you claimed Katanga, and now you're already in the middle of the Pacific. That's not how we work here! I repeat: this is not Wikipedia, and nobody is waiting for Wikipedia-like entries about unclaimed countries. If you want to work out the details for a previously unexplored territory, that's fine, really, but then please stick to it. I thought I had made that clear to you in my earlier responses to you (in a way that I even thought might have been a little rude), but now I seriously doubt if you've really understood my point at all. Although your story about SkP is certainly funny, I honestly can't see it getting through, not only because it violates QSS, but also because I'm afraid it would end up like another Wikipedia-like entry about a place not really claimed or used but still solid enough to make it hard for anybody else to come up with a different proposal. —IJzeren Jan ^Uszkiełtu? 23:51, 19 February 2006 (PST)

Rejection?

The consensus seems to be that this doesn't work. Should we delete it, or put it in the Archives? Nik 21:28, 22 February 2006 (PST)

I'm all for archiving it; I think that it could fit in the Alt-Alt-History regions of IB somewhere...but if Quentin could actually cobble a real-proposal out of this, or even express interest in doing so, that would make me hold off on the Archiving of it. BoArthur 22:13, 22 February 2006 (PST)

It's not a horrible idea, but I don't think it really fits in with the "real world" of IB. I'm also for archiving it. But, if Quentin wants this to be realized, he really needs to step up to the plate and work on this proposal. Doobieous 08:47, 23 February 2006 (PST)

As Quentin never elaborated or tried to explain how this would work, I vote that this proposal be rejected. Especially since this really doesn't fit with IB and looks like it was a grouping of leftover pacific islands, intended to be a space filler. Doobieous 18:10, 14 April 2006 (PDT)

Your Attention, Quentin

Since you seem to be on a spree of updating, why not take some time to work on this proposal? Can you defend it? Can you convince us that it should stay? I'm disheartened to see that you've chosen to leave this alone while you submit other proposals. Doobieous 21:57, 25 February 2006 (PST)