Talk:Scandinavian Realm

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What exactly are the North Atlantic Dependency and the South Atlantic Dependency? And, now that we have more or less (*) decided that Svalbard is Norwegian, does this make it one of the dependencies as well? --IJzeren Jan 01:00, 22 May 2005 (PDT)

(*) I say "more or less" because I still hope for a reaction from John, who originally came up with the proposal.

I have created pages describing these two dependencies. Boreanesia 02:03, 22 May 2005 (PDT)
Excellent. But are you sure the S.A.D. includes South Georgia? Earlier you wrote about Antarctica: "The human population would be concentrated in South Georgia Island (where the capital, Grytviken, is) and the Antarctic Peninsula." So unless one dependency is administered from another, either the S.A.D. and the Antarctic Dependency are one dependency, South Georgia has to be removed from one of them. IJzeren Jan 06:31, 22 May 2005 (PDT)
Eeeh gads! You're right! I'll correct that. Boreanesia 22:05, 22 May 2005 (PDT)

I guess Ruhnu should be a state within Scandinavian Realm (Ruhnu is an island in Baltic sea, currently in real world belonging to Estonia, that was for centuries inhabitted by Swedes and Swedish tribal laws applied in it until 1945 (despite it being part of Estonia in the interwar), when, after the area was conquered by Soviet Union, the Swedes were exiled and the island was repopulated by Estonians. In the real world, Sweden did not attempt to seek the island after collapse of Russian Empire due to it being quite far and Sweden not being that powerful country, so it became disputed among Latvia and Estonia, and became part of the later. However, in Bethisad the way GW1 went was somewhat different, and as well Scandinavian Realm more powerful, so probably there would have been attempts to claim this Swedish-populated island). Abdul-aziz 10:44, 31 October 2005 (PST)

Any chance of some more close-up maps of the SR like what they have for the HRE? Sikulu 09:39, 16 December 2005 (GMT)
I'll work on it once I get back from the Philippines -- unless someone else beats me to it. Boreanesia 06:08, 16 December 2005 (PST)
Are you on the Althist Wiki? Could you help me to make some maps for my Althists (the help option in Wikipedia isn't very helpfull)? Sikulu 14:13, 16 December 2005 (GMT)
No, I'm not on Althist. Actually, Daniel is our resident mapmaker. He is far better at it than I am. Try to ask him. Boreanesia 07:46, 16 December 2005 (PST)
I have actually made up many many ideas in my head about the more precise location of the borders between the different parts of the Scandinavian Realm and the further divisions of these. I just need the time to put it all together into a map to display my proposals on how I see the SR. RoMex 03:22, 22 December 2005 (PST)


Teritorial Shifts

Is Jamtland still a part of Sweden, has it been returned to Norway, or is it part of Samiland??? --Sikulu 16 December 2005, 14:56 (GMT)

As I mentioned to you earlier today, the Thirty Years War never took place in IB, and so the chain of events that led to the various Scanian Wars never took place either and Eastern Denmark (i.e., Skåne, Halland, and Blekinge) never became Swedish *there*. Likewise, Jæmtland, Harjedalen, and Bohuslæn never became a part of Sweden *there* either. IB Sweden concentrated its efforts on expanding eastwards, creating a DOMINIUM MARIS BALTICI BOREALIS. Samme is a recent creation combining the former historical Swedish province of Lappland and the former Norwegian land of Finnmark, which encompasses the entire Kola peninsula *there*. Boreanesia 07:46, 16 December 2005 (PST)
Sorry about that. It's just on the Eastern European Map, Samiland is fairly large, and composes of what appears to be the entire Swedish part of Samiland. --Sikulu 16 December 2005, 15:50 (GMT)
I actually imagine the border to be slightly different than what the map of Eastern Europe is showing, at one point. I imagine that the two parishes of Idre and Serna(Särna) (located south from Herjedalen, the northwestern part of Dalarna) are also part of Norway *there*. (Just like the border was *here* before Jamtland and Harjedalen became Swedish). RoMex 03:28, 22 December 2005 (PST)


Since it *here* exists a certain local "patriotism" in Jämtland/Jamtland (we call it "The Republic of Jamtland" and we have our flag (which is quite so popular), our president (a popular character), our anthem (well known by everyone here)) I was just playing with the thought, *what if* this had (unlike *here*) really gone the whole way *there* and there would actually come to exist a Republic of Jamtland? The thought I had would be something like Jamtland breaking out of Norway and forming it's own entity within the SR, "The Republic of Jamtland" with Østersund as its capital. How would this idea sound? Is it a crazy thought or could it actually be possible to imagine? RoMex 03:22, 22 December 2005 (PST)

I could see there being a movement, just as there's a movement for some larger level of Swedish autonomy, but I don't think it would ever go much further than that prior to the the future? That's something else. BoArthur 09:20, 9 February 2007 (PST)

The name Samme

I'm just wondering from were the name Samme comes from? Is it some kind of alternated version of the sami name Sápmi?? What language would it be? Could not just the names Sápmi / Sameland / Samiland be used for this country? RoMex 05:53, 22 December 2005 (PST)

I would imagine that Samme is a transphonation of the native's name for themselves into the scandinavian tongues. BoArthur 09:12, 9 February 2007 (PST)


Does the Oresund Bridge exist *there*? Was it built earlier? What do you think? Would they have been ecologically concerned about Saltholm? BoArthur 09:04, 9 February 2007 (PST)

I would suspect it would exist *there*, and be built a bit earlier (there would probably be a movement for it that started earlier anyway, Denmark and Sweden both being ruled by the same monarch and all). --Sikulu 03:15, 10 February 2007 (PST)
That's what I was thinking, but given that IB is just as eco-conscious or more, I'm sure that they would've opted to build Pepparholm *there*, too. BoArthur 14:14, 10 February 2007 (PST)


Who owns Åland *there*? Sweden or Finland? Nik 21:29, 11 February 2007 (PST)

Probably Sweden. --Sikulu 01:02, 12 February 2007 (PST)
At the same time, it's all the SR, and aren't the nations *there* more like the divisions of the UK *here*? BoArthur 11:50, 12 February 2007 (PST)
Well, the population is mostly Swedish-speaking *here*. --Sikulu 00:48, 13 February 2007 (PST)
Yes, but then so is a good chunk of coastal Finland *here* because of "Store Sverige" or Greater Sweden during the 1800's. So, they could be swedish, but the could be finnish as well, it would really come down to what Kristian said...although he's been quite quiet of late. BoArthur 07:53, 13 February 2007 (PST)

Arms of the SR?

SR ARMS proposals.jpg
I've been on a heraldry kick lately, and during my research for a proposed COA for Paul II of Greece I came across the arms of Denmark. Now, I understand that in essence the royal family of Denmark *here* is the royal family of the Scandinavian Realm *there* but in which case I think the arms might be a bit different. So herein are two proposals for SR arms--not the full achievement but simply the coat of arms. I was thinking the supporters would probably be falcons to represent Iceland. Please let me know what you think. Zahir 15:34, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

It does occur to me that perhaps the fourth quarter should be the arms of Finland. Maybe. Zahir 14:54, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

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