Talk:República Conchesa

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What's in a name?

I would suggest the name should be República de los Cayos. "Conch Republic" got its name *here* from the nickname for residents of Key West, which in turn was originally a term for Bahamian immigrants, Conch being a colloquial term for native Bahamians of European descent. I doubt the same set of circumstances would happen *there* Nik 19:12, 14 March 2006 (PST)

Sounds correct to me; I'm fine to change it in light of this evidence. Where did you drag that tidbit up? :)...Or could they be Bahamians and that's why they even want to go near the CaL? BoArthur 19:16, 14 March 2006 (PST)
From the Wikipedia article. During FC times, the Keys were part of the Distrito de Miami y de los Cayos, which should probably be mentioned in teh history section Nik 19:18, 14 March 2006 (PST)
That could be another reason not to go with los Cayos...distancing themselves from the past...BoArthur 19:24, 14 March 2006 (PST)
I don't think that would be a problem. It's simply descriptive. Texans had no problem using the name Tejas, despite that being what they were called under Mexican rule, for example. Likewise with California. Nik 19:31, 14 March 2006 (PST)

If you two wish, you could help me out. The Republic de los Cayos or the Republic de la Concha is probably a concern right now, but I belive with what Nik said, in that they are trying to distance themselves from their past. And who knows, maybe there is a fair number of Bahamians there, seeing as how it was a tourist spot before the war. They probably moved in to help the tourism industry. I'm gonna stay with Concha right now and see how it turns out Seth 19:44, 14 March 2006 (PST)

Even if it uses the same name, República de la Concha would be ungrammatical. It's not Republic of the Conch. It's Conch Republic, Conch being an adjective. I still think República de los Cayos would be best, but if it has to be Conch Republic, then it should be something different. I'm not sure exactly how you would make an adjective out of Conch in Spanish, though Nik 19:51, 14 March 2006 (PST)
República Conchola? Like Republica Espannola? ;) Elemtilas 19:57, 14 March 2006 (PST)
That seems quite good, the "Republica Choncola". I'll try fixing the title. Seth 19:58, 14 March 2006 (PST)
Woaaaaah, hold on now. The usual method is to just separate the nouns with de, the second noun becoming the adjective. So, we'd get República de Concha, although. However, names of ranchos break this rule: Rancho Dos Estrellas - Two Stars Ranch, Rancho Punta de Pinos - Pine Point Ranch, Rancho Nacional - National Ranch, or Rancho Bolsa Nueva y Moro Cojo - New Pocket and Lame Moor Ranch. Doobieous 20:29, 14 March 2006 (PST)
However Nik, I've had a native speaker tell me his first impression would be "Repblica de la Concha" as the form he would give for "Conch Republic". Doobieous 20:55, 14 March 2006 (PST)
I'll let you blokes duke this out and we can move it back and adjust links when we get it straightened out. (grumblegrumbleknewishould'vewaitedtomovethepage....) BoArthur 20:57, 14 March 2006 (PST)
How about naming the page simply Conch Republic?
Did the native speaker know that Conch Republic was named after the people and not the shellfish? Nik 20:59, 14 March 2006 (PST)
No, and it's my fault for not catching it. My bad. I did ask another friend and she says "conchola" sounds odd, and uber-nationalist. She thinks "conchesa" sounds better and more refined. She says the ending -ola feels archaic and nationalist. Conchesa would give "conchés" for the masculine singular as well. Of course, that might be the aim, and maybe that's what you're going for, but I still think conchesa sounds a lot better, and not odd like conchola does. Doobieous 21:36, 14 March 2006 (PST)


Hm...conchès.... I kinda like the ring to that.... BoArthur 21:43, 14 March 2006 (PST)

Conch Republic? Hmmm... serves me right for heading away for a bit. :-) I'm cool with that though. What worries me, however, is the political ramifications of it in the rest of South Florida. Now, that would be interesting... --Kgaughan 09:37, 15 March 2006 (PST)

Oy! "Conchola" was nòt a serious proposal! --> ;) <-- Anyway, "conchola" is perfectly good English, at least in some lects as a pesudospanglified diminutive. Elemtilas 16:52, 15 March 2006 (PST)
Two things. First--absolutely love the flag! Second--ARE WE THROUGH NAMING THIS COUNTRY YET??????? <G> 18:43, 15 March 2006 (PST)

I'll take credit for the flag...whipped it up. Needs some tweaking to please me, but then again, it might be just right so I'll leave it unless someone wants me to...BoArthur 18:53, 15 March 2006 (PST)

Very nice flag indeed! What's that thing in the middle? Icecream? —IJzeren Jan Uszkiełtu? 00:24, 16 March 2006 (PST)
Nay, good sir, 'tis a conch! BoArthur
The same friend who suggested "conchesa" said "conchola" sounds like "con chola", and "chola" is a slang term with various meanings, but the one I'm used to is it's either a female Mexican gang member, or the girlfriend of a Mexican gang member.
By the way, Another friend just suggested "conchera", although to me that sounded like a vender of shells or a place where shells are found. Doobieous 10:22, 16 March 2006 (PST)
Way to go with the flag BoArthur! And way to go everyone with the information! Seth 3:48 18 March 2006 (PST)

Naming the Keys

I think they need to be updated with correct Castilian names, unless other reasons are given. BoArthur 19:29, 18 April 2006 (PDT)


I agree. Of course some were probably only named in American times *here*, but perhaps you could name some of them like this (following hyphens):


  • Elliott Key - Cayo Natanael
  • Adams Key - (?)
  • Reid Key - Cayo Elpidio
  • Rubicon Keys - (?)
  • Totten Key - Cayo Pastor
  • Old Rhodes Key - (?)
  • Key Largo - Cayo Largo
  • Islamorada - Isla Morada
    • Plantation Key - Cayo Hacênda
    • Windly Key - Cayo Virgilio
    • Upper Matecumbe Key - Cayo Alta Matecumbe
    • Lower Matecumbe Key - Cayo Baja Matecumbe
  • Craig Key - Cayo Tiburcio
  • Fiesta Key - Cayo Bastante
  • Long Key (formerly known as Rattlesnake Key)- Cayo Serpênte (since "long Key" would be "Cayo Largo")
  • Conch Key - Cayo Concha
  • Duck Key - Cayo Pato
  • Grassy Key - Cayo Herboso
  • Deer Key - Cayo Venado
  • Marathon
    • Key Vaca - Cayo Vaca
    • Boot Key - Cayo Bota
  • Bahia Honda - Cayo Bahia
  • West Summerland Key - (?)
  • No Name Key - Cayo Nombre Secreto
  • Big Pine Key - Cayo Pino Grande
  • Torch Key - Cayo Antorcha
  • Ramrod Key - Cayo Cesar
  • Summerland Key - Cayo Saturnino
  • Cudjoe Key - Cayo Bonifacio
  • Sugarloaf Key - Cayo Piloncillo
  • Saddlebunch Key - Cayo Ismael
  • Big Coppitt Key - (?)
  • Boca Chica - Cayo Boca Chica
  • Key Haven - Cayo Refugio
  • Key West - Cayo Oeste
  • the Marquesas Keys - Cayos Las Marquesas
  • the Dry Tortugas - Cayos Las Tortugas Secas

Mind you, the names are translations of their names here. I´ve ignored English specific or keys named after surnames. Doobieous 23:48, 18 April 2006 (PDT)

I think that Key West is actually Cayo Ôso, and I like some of them for sure and some I definitely want to consider. :) BoArthur 08:16, 19 April 2006 (PDT)
Whoops, well, yes, you're right about Key West's name *there*. Some of the translations I like a lot, like "Cayos Las Tortugas Secas" and "Cayo Refugio". Do you have ideas? I think the keys given English specific names or surnames allows free reign, unless we want to do calques and translations. Doobieous 10:06, 19 April 2006 (PDT)
I'm all for "free reign" on the English Specific names...you didn't pull all the names though...and I don't know if I didn't add it, but I was thinking that Key Biscayne would also be part of the RC. BoArthur 10:15, 19 April 2006 (PDT)
Yah, I only pulled the names which have a clear, or attractive Spanish translation (Fiesta Key sounds like some cheesy name given by a home owners association to make their community more exotic and "fun")Doobieous 11:45, 19 April 2006 (PDT)
ROFLMAO! So very sadly true! BoArthur 11:46, 19 April 2006 (PDT)
That's what irks me about new housing developments with Spanish names, they usually give them some cheesy name or try to make it sound sophisticated. Such as Vista Dorada "Golden View" (not too bad), or Pasadera, meaning stepping stone, intended to give a country charm to the development (it's all golf courses and million dollar homes). I mean sure, the ranches here under Spanish rule have strange sounding names (Rancho Santa Ana y Quien Sabe - Saint Anne and Who Knows Ranch), but Fiesta Key sounds suspiciously like it was named after American takeover of Florida. Doobieous 17:10, 19 April 2006 (PDT)
True. I'll try and come up with some names for the few that weren't named, but I can't guarentee any good names (I don't know Castilian). Seth 8:06, 18 April 2006 (PST)

Rites

"Largely Roman Rite Catholic because of the Castilian influence". Shouldn't that read Isidorian?

Yes, you're right...it should be isidorian, since that's what they practice in Castile i Leon. Good catch. BoArthur 19:30, 25 June 2006 (PDT)

Election Time!

This is just my idea, but I am open to suggestions: Parliament has 50 seats, 51 including Prime Minister

Libertad gains largest amount, but the Conches and Ecotopics form a loose alliance and choose a liberal.
Libertad=23
Conches=15
Ecotopic=12

Seth 7:15 9th December, 2006

Why not. The question is, what does Libertad have as a platform, Conches as well? I'd ask about the Ecotopics if I wasn't already fairly sure what their POV was. BoArthur 10:06, 9 December 2006 (PST)

Well, Libertads platform is one mostly oriented towards business, and attempting to build a strong region (republic only, not all of south florida). The Conches are wanting good business too, but want the area to remain somewhat weaker the Libertad so that they may attempt good relations with neighbors, thus possible allowing a better economy. However, because Libertad was the first party organized in the area, it has the largest support base. The alliance between the Conches and Ecotopics, however, allow Fabrico López de Arriortúa, a liberal who also wants to preserve the keys (making the Ecotopics happy) to become the next Primer Ministro. Seth 18:37, 9 Dec., 2006

Dry Tortugas

It should be noted that the Dry Tortugas are a territory of the NAL. Very important naval station is located there. The territroy itself is governed by the Extraterritorial Lands Bureau, like the UT. Elemtilas 06:39, 31 December 2006 (PST)

Thanks. Seth 10:45, 1 January, 2006
The EXTRATERRESTRIAL LANDS BUREAU?! I knew that the martians weren't coming for Louisianne...they're here for the NAL! If only I could get a spot on Lawrence Koenig's show! BoArthur 09:44, 3 January 2007 (PST)

Peso conchés

If the Conches really want their own currency, it need not be merely sylbolic. There's no reason why the peso conchés couldn't be the legal currency. Since the Republic relies on tourism, it is to its benefit to encourage all visitors to exchange their money when they arrive. Even with IB's stable exchange rates, some visitors would leave without changing back, resulting in a net gain of hard foreign currency for the Conchesa economy. The conchés coins need not have any precious metals - they could be base metals backed by hard foreign coin in the national vaults, just like a paper banknote. Local merchants would no doubt accept the foreign cash, but enough tourists would change their money to benefit the economy.

I should point out that this is the system used by Henua, another tourism-centered small economy ([1]). The biggest drawback would be the cost of minting coins, even non-precious ones, in a foreign country, proably the NAL or Cuba. Henua's coins are actually made in Japan. Benkarnell 06:19, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

While that may be so, I doubt it. It would probably make their money feel, iunno... fake. Seth 07:00, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
The real problems are the cost of minting it, and the existence of a perfectly serviceable (and well-backed) currency in the rest of SW Florida. I was under the impression that the peso conchés was just the old F-C peso under a new name, and all they were doing was using the old coins. --Kgaughan 10:56, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Understood. I was just throwing the suggestion out there. Benkarnell

Administrative divisions

Mind if I grab a map fro wikipedia or something and draw up it's internal divisions? There really wouldn't be many, I believe, but it's always nice! Seth 07:13, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

  • Cayo Oeste
  • Cayo Piloncillo
  • Cayo Bonifacio
  • Cayo Marathon (?)
  • Cayo Serpênte
  • Isla Morada
  • Cayo Largo Sur
  • Cayo Largo Norté

The eight administrative divisions of the Conch Republic (República Conchesa)! I'll post a map soon!Seth 07:29, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

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