Talk:Cape Green

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There is a different version of this flag on the Flags of IB site. Which is correct, or are they both correct, just one civil and the other state? Nik 17:53, 29 November 2005 (PST)

I`d recommend picking just one. I`m obviously biased toward the defaced st-georges (since it correspond to the pattern I suggested for FK flags) but if the other is chosen, it would be odd for a colonial ensign to have become the civil flag so just delete it. --Marc Pasquin 18:10, 29 November 2005 (PST)
How exactly did England end up with Cape Verde? The Portuguese got it *here*. --Sikulu 01:59, 14 February 2006 (PST)
The Commonwealth will end up with èverything. Eventually... Elemtilas 19:29, 14 February 2006 (PST)
We are the Commonwealth. You will belong to us. Your biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Prepare to be force-fed tea and crumpets. Resistance is futile. BoArthur
*Snigger*. Do we have yet more Star Trek fans in our midst? --Sikulu 00:27, 15 February 2006 (PST)
We are several. I haven't paid much attention to ST recently, but if you look carefully in the Bug Catchers section of the Acknowledgements, there I be.
I must note that Dan's characterisation of the C as Borglike is quite unfair! No one is forced to join up, but the fact is that many have and others would like to. And anyway, it's not all tea and crumpets. There also fish and chips and warm beer, leek soup and cold fresh milk, panella and white cyder, oat bread and pottage and stout, not to mention sausages inna bun and ice cold Moxie tonic. Elemtilas 15:07, 15 February 2006 (PST)
Tell that to East and West Florida, ché. And maybe we don't like Pie and Chips! ;) BoArthur
They've got their own variety of culturally typical food, which was exactly my point re "Borg"! :) No one forced or compelled the Floridas to enter the NAL. They and their foods come freely or not at all. Elemtilas 17:58, 15 February 2006 (PST)
Not initially. There seems to have been some considerable "coercion" at first.  ;) And as for my comment being unfair, it's just what came to minde when tha said "The Commonwealth will end up with èverything. Eventually...". ☺ BoArthur 18:35, 15 February 2006 (PST)

Seriously, though. Did the FK (or a member) nick them (as well as Sao Tomé and Principe) during the Napoleonic Wars? Or were they part of Catherine de Braganza's dowry. Or, somehow, did one or more of the British states get there first? --Sikulu 03:38, 16 February 2006 (PST)

We don't know. We leave that to future historians of IB to sort out! Elemtilas 15:58, 16 February 2006 (PST)

Deletion Proposal

Can we not delete this? I'll add material if I can find it. --Quentin 04:37, 10 May 2006 (PDT)

I don't see any reason to delete this. We can simply allow for more to be discovered about this country. Zahir 06:46, 10 May 2006 (PDT)
The main problem I have is with the history of Cape Green (and St. Thomas and Prince). Why are they English and not Portuguese anyway? I can't think of any reasonable explanation for this, unless England captured them/offered them protectorate status during the Napoleonic Wars. --Sikulu 06:58, 10 May 2006 (PDT)
Padraic was the one that came up with that Bitty...and If Cape Green is English, why didn't they take the Azores too? (aside that it's QSS that they are, because of the Vissi people...) BoArthur
The major problem is that the trade winds and currents are ideal for Portuguese colonisation of the Azores and Cape Verde. There is simply no logical reason other than capturing them or establishing a protectorate over them for the English to have Cape Verde and São Tomé and Principe. Perhaps the Azores and Madeira were restored to Portugal afterward, or declined protectorate (maybe the French got there first). As an aside, why does Portugal have so few colonies anyway? --Sikulu 07:16, 10 May 2006 (PDT)
For my Vissi to work, the Azores must be continually Portuguese from the time of colonization *here*. As for the others, that's a good question, and I look forward to Padraic's answer

Actually, Sikulu, here's the answer from Padraic, snagged from above: We don't know. We leave that to future historians of IB to sort out! Elemtilas 15:58, 16 February 2006 (PST). So, somehow they are, and we must figure it out. :) Do you want to work a proposal? Maybe Napo or someone sold them to England back in the day? Maybe things were going poorly for the Poruguese colonies in South Am, and to finance some measures, they sold off the colonies to England? BoArthur 08:22, 10 May 2006 (PDT)

Not too try and shake the foundation of QSS too much here but if we don't know, why was it done in the first place ? was there a misidentification made somewhere or was this a case of having undecided colonies being FK's by default ?
If there isn't any good reason, why not assume it was a temporary thing ? Something along the line "were an occupied territory/protectorate during the war of XXX" --Marc Pasquin 17:20, 10 May 2006 (PDT)
That sounds more probable. *Here* we were in the habit of occupying the colonies of the countries we were fighting against, then giving most (if not all) of them back after peace was made. So, having the FK (or a member thereof) occupy the Azores, Madeira, Cape Verde and São Tomé and Principe, then giving (most of) them back later on isn't out of the question. --Sikulu 03:30, 11 May 2006 (PDT)

Scotland

This may be half a dozen years late, but before the infobox was written these islands were identified as Scottish, not English. They still are, actually. ("S, Cap. Praya" stands for Scotland.) Benkarnell 22:59, 30 April 2012 (PDT)

Belonging

OK. Are Cape Green and Saint Thomas and Prince Scottish? Cambrian? English? Portuguese? Henuan? None of the above? TBH I can't really see them as commonwealth territories, maybe Cambrian (Cambria allies with France, Portuguese are traditional enemies of France, Portugal is enemy of Kemr Q.E.D.), but the Portuguese are known to have a long-standing alliance with the English *here* and I don't really see anything contradicting that *there*. I'll try not to challenge QSS unless I can't find any good explanation for them being English, but TBH I think I'll need some convincing before I'm sold on the idea of them being English. I think it might make more sense for them to be part of the Scottish/Cambrian commonwealths, although I know next to nothing about Scotland-Portugal relations. Juan Martin Velez Linares 15:44 22 September 2015 (CDT)

If you look just up there ^ the original QSS is that they are Scottish. Most of these little island pages were copied from an old bethisad.com subpage about the Commonwealth that described each territory briefly and identified it as E, S, or K. Cape Green is S, Scottish. Benkarnell 09:19, 28 September 2015 (PDT)
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