Talk:South America

Takeover? No! Update!

Yes, I know this page is lopsided, but since I have "taken over" ;-) the Lusoamerican Union I had to update the member states. Kyrmse 14:10, 14 Jul 2005 (PDT)

Flags & Names on the Map

Chlewey: Please take a look at this map and tell me whether I've got anything wrong. Note that it is a low-quality .jpg; it will become a much better .png once discussion is finished.

I had three difficulties:

• The location of Kemrese Guyana is nowhere defined, so it is not on the map;
• I had no Paraguayan flag (by you) to go by, so I took a flag of Paraguay *here* and removed the central badge;
• Batavian Guyana has no flag either.

[ Image has been removed - see below for updated version ]

I case you're wondering why I changed the flag of Paraná: Paraná *here* happens to be my home state, so I decided the flag should have the diagonal stripe and a circle in the centre. The colours of Estado do Paraná are green and white, so I used these - and red from the flag of Estado de São Paulo, where the capital of Paraná *there* is located. Your flag looked too much like that of Estado do Rio Grande do Sul, not representative of the whole - and too far at the southern corner. I hope you don't disagree too much. Kyrmse 13:21, 20 Jul 2005 (PDT)

Batavian Guyana does have a flag now. In fact, it has had a flag all the time. I thought it was on FOIB? --IJzeren Jan 12:25, 21 Jul 2005 (PDT)

Chlewey: Ya tenemos Kemrese Guyana? Kyrmse 17:07, 21 Jul 2005 (PDT)

Sí, la Guyana Cámbrica y la Guyana Inglesa deben repartirse el territorio de Guyana *aquí*. Una propuesta: Guyana Cámbrica ocupa el actual territorio de Essequibo (el territorio al oeste del río Essequibo, reclamado *aquí* por Venezuela) y la Guyana Inglesa incluye el territorio al este (incluyendo Georgetown) y alguna parte de Suriname (hasta Wageningen).

Kemrese Guyana and English Guyana should share the territory of *here*'s Guyana. A proposal: Kemrese Guyana would include the Essequibo territory (territories west of Essequibo), while the English has the East terrotories and a little bit of Suriname (to Wageningen or so).

So, basically, the English territory is the old territories of Essequibo and Demarara and a little slice into Batavian Guyana. I can live with that, or even without the little slice into Batavian Guyana. If I can find a decent map of Guyana's innards, I'll work on a map of the British Guyanas. Elemtilas

I've placed an updated map, "map_south_america_2005.bmp", in the IB files section of Conculture. Also, I think the generic English territorial flag should be replaced with the English Guyana flag. Elemtilas

The map seems okay to me. You should probably whiten a little more the sea so that the Samonios Islands flag would contrast a little, even with fimbriation. Probably something like the square at the right.

— Carlos Th (comments) 09:18, 22 Jul 2005 (PDT)

I have no objections against a piece of Batavian Guyana being stripped off in favour of a Kemrese Guyana. But it better be not too much: otherwise we wouldn't have sold New Castreleon to the British in return for it! :)

By the way, I vaguely recall that Kemrese Guyana also included part of Venezuela. Or is that nonsense?

Last question: why would Batavian Guyana have 8 million inhabitants? *Here*, Suriname has less than half a million. Even the absence of the December murders won't explain such a difference!

--IJzeren Jan 09:29, 22 Jul 2005 (PDT)

Feel free to correct the figure if it seems too wrong.

— Carlos Th (comments) 09:52, 22 Jul 2005 (PDT)

Below is the current version of the Map of South America with flags. The question about English vs. Kemrese Guyana must still be resolved, of course. Kyrmse 07:41, 27 Jul 2005 (PDT)

NB: the Samonios Islands would be better named so, rather than the native Ynysaw Havaenec Deiniol 15:03, 27 Jul 2005 (PDT)

I am adding the map http://geocities.com/xliponia/South_America_flags.png to the article. Feel free to correct and update! I believe it looks better wíth country names (even with the redundant flags, which are shown on the list below as well). Kyrmse 06:18, 28 Jul 2005 (PDT)

Would the flag of Kemrese Guyana be simply that for Kemr, with the dragon etc.? Kyrmse 04:59, 2 Aug 2005 (PDT)

Updated the map today. Comments and criticism welcome. Kyrmse 10:03, 5 Aug 2005 (PDT)

More Flags...

There are still some flags missing in the "long list" where each country is described in more detail. Maybe Jan could take care of that?! [In haste] Kyrmse 03:35, 28 October 2005 (PDT)

At your service, sir! The only flag that is now missing is that of Kemrese Guyana, but I don't think there is one at the moment. --IJzeren Jan 03:56, 28 October 2005 (PDT)

How about this, thats the badge (sort of) used *here* by british guyana during colonial times.--Marc Pasquin 09:41, 28 October 2005 (PDT)

I like it. But of course, the final word about this lies with Andrew. --IJzeren Jan 12:46, 29 October 2005 (PDT)

MISSING COUNTRY!

Nea Illenicia is missing! Per this article and related articles, it was supposed to be the sothern portion of Riu de l'Argent BoArthur 22:48, 20 January 2006 (PST)

Carlos' proposed borders are found here.

TAVORIA ???

I would advise reverting to the map in existence before Tavoria was proposed. Unfortunately I do not have a copy of it available. But some generous soul might do this. Kyrmse 10:37, 22 February 2007 (PST)