Talk:Italy

Nice & Savoy

Um, aren't Nice and Savoy parts of France *there*, or are they condominiums? --Sikulu 06:48, 1 March 2006 (PST)

Good question....I was under the impression they were...but then, maybe I'm confusing *there* and *here*. Marc? Others?

The fate of Nice pretty much depend on the fate of Savoy. *Here* it was acquired by France during the Second Empire and considering that era existed *there* too, you would indeed think it should be part of France. Maybe Decamerion (where did he go anyway ?) had an explanation or maybe he went with the maximal extent possible of italy. --Marc Pasquin 07:39, 3 March 2006 (PST)

I would think that since the real changes in that area didn't happen until _after_ our POD's, I would say Nice and Savoy are part of France...would Turin be part of Italy, then? BoArthur 13:36, 3 March 2006 (PST)

Istria

In this article Istria is said to be a Duchy of Italy. However, on this map Istria is clearly in Croatia. What gives? Do we have a condominium situation? An error? A conflict of QSS? Deiniol 08:31, 5 March 2006 (PST)

I think like Nice and Savoy there may be some issue with QSS; I also know that my maps aren't necessarily 100% correct, as I was never given exact borders...I extrapolated to the best of my knowledfge, so that may also be the problem...BoArthur 15:57, 5 March 2006 (PST)

Map

Can we get a "proper" map of Italy, with all of its duchies, archduchies, etc. Seth 17:51, 8 June 2006 (PST)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6e/Italy.geohive.gif Use this as a guide. Seth 17:58, 8 June 2006 (PST)

This is a bit late, but here goes - Image:Italy IB map.png --Quentin 13:03, 10 September 2007 (PDT)

Not late, and just right. Magnifico! BoArthur 17:37, 10 September 2007 (PDT)

I'll put it up now then. --Quentin 08:26, 14 September 2007 (PDT)

Italy and the world

What's going on between Italy and the rest of the world? Has any progress been made with regards to the nonbelligerent claim on Corsica? What about Italy and space? How's the economic situation in Italy? Would it be feasible for Italy to set up a space program? I, for one, would be very interested to find out. Sectori 15:44, 25 March 2007 (PDT)

As far as I know from the time of Christophe Grandsire, Corsica has been French. I think that DeCameron's claim on Corsica for Italy may have slipped under the radar, so I think we'd default to the QSS and QAA on that aspect.

As for a space program, I think that if Italy's going to space, it's with the Euro-consortium. BoArthur 07:47, 26 March 2007 (PDT)

Italian colonies

Were/are there any Italian colonies? Surely there must be one somewhere. What did Italy do during the so-called Age of Discovery? (The same question would apply to the Kingdom of Two Sicilies and the Papal States, though I doubt the latter did much of anything.) Sectori 20:07, 26 March 2007 (PDT)

Post script: I forgot, no Italy. But what about the individual Italian kingdoms?

I must admit that I am not aware of any current one *here* so there is no particular impetus for any *there*. There could be *former* colonies thought.--Marc Pasquin 20:38, 26 March 2007 (PDT)

In the real world, eastern Somalia, Eritrea, Libya and for some time Ethiopia were Italian colonies. In IB as far as I understand Libya was or is condominium of Two Sicilies and greece. There as well existed two colonies of Two Sicilies in the interwar period on the coast of Somlia - Kismaayo and Iddan. Lombardy (actually Italy it seems) had one colony there - Eyl. Abdul-aziz 02:54, 30 March 2007 (PDT)

Italian

I've been thinking: since the Papal States are not part of Italy, Italian would probably have much more Tuscan influence than Roman, and similarly Lombard, Piedmontese, and the various other dialects/languages (Milanese, Ligurian, Genoese, Carrarrese from Massa, and so on) would increasingly influence the language as well (especially Lombard and Piedmontese, I think, as Lombardy was not only a founding member, but is also one of the largest member states, and Piedmontese is spoken throughout the Northwestern Italian states). So IB Italian would probably look (and sound, for that matter) different from "real world" Italian. Do these assumptions seem valid? Sectori 10:40, 29 March 2007 (PDT)

Yes, and I vote you conlang it! ;) BoArthur 11:46, 29 March 2007 (PDT)

That was where I was leading that. :P Sectori 18:42, 29 March 2007 (PDT)

They sound valid to me, especially with less Roman influence. I can't wait to see what you come up with. Doobieous 22:45, 29 March 2007 (PDT)

A related question - the Two Sicilies would, I imagine, be likely to use a different form. Would they be distinct enough to be classified as separate languages, or just as dialects of one language? What about the Papal States? Might there be, or at least, might there be, for political reasons, considered to be three languages on the Italian penninsula, Italian, Roman, and Sicilian? Nik 12:15, 30 March 2007 (PDT)

Danish and Norwegian are frequently considered to be separate languages, now Serbian, Bosnian and Croatian are frequently considered to be separate languages as well; political things mean a lot here, so I am quite sure that Italian, Sicilian and probably Roman as well would be considered separate languages. Northern and southern Italian dialects are different, so the languages would most likely have been standartised differently. Abdul-aziz 14:10, 30 March 2007 (PDT)

Considering that *here* Standard Italian is based on Tuscan, not Roman, I shouldn't think the differences would be too significant. Perhaps upper-class Florentine norms are more prestigious, such as the monophthongisation of /uo/ to [o:] and reflexes of Vulgar Latin /sj/ still pronounced as /S/ rather than /tS/ as *here*'s standard Italian. In grammar, I doubt there'd be much change at all- after all Standard Italian grammar *here* is essentially wholly Tuscan, even down to the generalisation of -iamo in the present tense over -amo -emo and -imo.

In the Two Sicilies, Neapolitan would probably be the prestigious variety, rather than Sicilian. Deiniol 04:06, 31 March 2007 (PDT)

Probably so. Though, given that the name of the nation is the Two Sicilies, I suspect Sicilian would be the name of its language. Nik 21:52, 31 March 2007 (PDT)

Italian probably wouldn't be too different there, probably just more (well, even more) archaicising and with more obvious Tuscan traits. I don't know what would happen to the gorgia or the de-affrication of [tS], [dZ] between vowels, but from what I understand it's pretty deeply ingrained into Tuscan as a whole so maybe... as allophones? IDK. The dropping of infinitives has precedence in Occitan, the Northern Italian languages and Catalan *here*, but apparently not in Catalan *there* or Narbonosc (and by extension, nòt in the Gallo-Italic languages) due to a different form of the infinitive. Probably instead infinitives take a Spanish/Castilianesque form in Italian and the Gallo-Italic languages (i.e. -ar,-ir,-er instead of -are,-ire,-ere). Tuscan phenomena common to various other Italian dialects would probably also be standard (e.g. the affrication of [s] after liquids and the double dative (a weirdly Spanish trait to me)), and Tuscan words which are archaic or have a different meaning in standard Italian would probably be in regular use. Which probably means the continued usage of codesto and its correspondent forms in the standard. Since it's very specifically a Florentine trait, perhaps the masculine definite article in standard Italian *there* is "i" causing raddoppiamento instead of "il". But I'm not sure. Not sure about some words which are very specifically Tuscan either. Juan Martin Velez Linares 12:17, 13 October 2015 (CDT)

UKI?

Now, I know Italy has a monarch, but should it really be called a United Kingdom? The more I look into it's history, the more I want to call it a "Federated Kingdom of Italy," as it looks like every constituency is highly autonomous, and have their own monarchs. Seth 1:06 2 April 2007

I imagine that unito was meant in that sense, but it would probably be better as confederato (assuming that the Italian dictionary that I'm using can be trusted). I'll change it now. Sectori 03:54, 3 April 2007 (PDT)

Military

Does Italy had a military or the states of Italy are Italy's military?--Chinofilipino 10:53, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Ligurian

I have a couple of additional Ligurian dialects I'd like to talk about (mostly Caffico and Tabarchino, perhaps Chiotico as well if I can figure out if it survived into modern times). Should I start a Ligurian page for them? Juan Martin Velez Linares, 13:13, 12 October 2015 (CDT)

I'd recommend asking Nat/Sectori on Conculture. BoArthur 12:20, 12 October 2015 (PDT)