Talk:Greek Republic of Ethiopia

I feel compelled to point that that this proposal is for all intents and purposes empty. Zahir 15:53, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

I know, I know I had to work on making the Motherland stronger first. Jan pointed out it would make much more sense if it was the "Greek Republic of Libya as there is a stronger Greek population there with some sort of weird Greek creole language. Misterxeight 17:45, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

That population's a holdover from Roman days and wouldn't be a colony in the modern sense. Benkarnell 18:24, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

It is? I was thinking maybe when the Arabs kicked the Greeks out of Libya, they flee to Ethiopia, where they are granted a land, a reservation. When war between them, the Chinese, and the Lithuanians break out, the GRE can peacefully (or not) secede. Due to Bureaucracy problems, since the Xanthis family are the de facto rulers, they are Greek citizens so the property belongs to Greece, or something. So C8 reunites the two nations together. Misterxeight 03:51, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

All this seems really unlikely IMO. First of all, let's straighten out a few things: first of all, there is no Greek colony in Ethiopia until Ethiopia's caretaker says there is. And here's another piece of IB policy: if you want to introduce something "weird", in the sense that it doesn't even have the remotest relationship to OTL, that is fine, but you need to come up with some pretty convincing arguments why the situation *there* should be different. And at last, there is QSS, one of the pillars of IB. We knew a few things about Greece before you adopted it, and whether you like them or not, you'll have to stick to them. One of those things is that Greece is not a colonial power, and so, Greece is not a colonial power. Period.

What we do know, however, is that Greece has had some influence in other parts of the world in the past: Cappadocia, Libya, perhaps some other occupied territories during GW2. However, keep in mind that these can hardly be called "colonies". So really, if you want some kind of Greek republic to exist in Ethiopia, you really have to come up with better arguments. Augustinas suggested two ways how a Greek colony on Ethiopian soil could have come into existence: either it was leased in the late 19th century, or it was taken after Ethiopia lost GW1. Well, given the fact that in the 19th century Greece was a young, small and rather poor country, I think the first option isn't realistic. So let's assume Greece took control over some land in Ethiopia around 1918. How could Greece have colonised it on such short notice? If we assume Greek Somaliland was a small and scarcely inhabited territory, Where would Greece find the people it would need to "colonise" it? Perhaps it might have succeeded in building a small town with a couple of thousand Greeks an equal number of local people, and a Greek military garrison, but that's about it. Hardly enough to lay the foundations for an exclusively Greek state, and definitely not enough for some Greek-Amharic or Greek-Somali creole to emerge. Even if this colony existed (which I'm ready to accept without reservation), it is unlikely to have survived in any way. During GW2 Ethiopia seized all European colonies on its territory, and after the war it was federalised, Greek Somaliland along with it.

Look, Konstantino, I'm really not willing to burn down your idea in advance, but it you want this to work, you really have to convince us into it. Merely insisting on a GRE or, after we've told you repeatedly how improbable it is, pretending it's there anyway, is really not enough.

Like I said, a Greek Somaliland in the interwar period is an option. Perhaps we should work from there. Augustinas suggested Ethiopia might have assisted Greece in recovering some old Greek territory in Libya. The Xanthis family might have taken the lead and moved in there, and made the whole enterprise a success. Even after Greece lost it after GW2, his family might still be playing a keyrole there. Again, not enough for some "Greek Republic", but enough perhaps for a sizeable Greek minority with a few justifiable historic claims, and some pretty serious separatist aspirations. —IJzeren Jan ^Uszkiełtu? 20:25, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I thought of that. That's exactly why there's a Minorah on the flag. During the 1800s, Greece would welcome Jewish refugees from other intolerant nations with open arms. When they go colonize the area, the send them. Misterxeight 23:31, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

One would think that Jewish refugees would go to Judea... I like the idea of Greece having a territory abroad, perhaps a condominium or leased terrritory, but yes, Greece was not (to the absolute best of my IB knowledge) a colonial power. Perhaps during the Interwar period, they were able to muscle Ethiopia into leasing territory to them for "X" amount of years, and after GWII, they make it a permanent lease. That is a pretty good idea, but doesn;t live up to a "Greek Republic of Ethiopia" that you seem to be building... Seth 00:25 1 August 2008

Open For Bussiness

Debate for & against the GRE is once again open.  Mr.X8 Talk Contribs13:58, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

For

I like the idea, but you have to work with already given information, and flesh it out a bit... Seth 00:26 1 August 2008

Rename

With Anthony & I working things out, would you all permit me to rename the page to Cyrenaica & rewrite (or is it re-write?) everything. Misterxeight 01:02, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Not cantons.

The canton of a flag is the upper portion of a flag next to the staff. In the American flag, the stars are in the canton. What you have here are quarters. Caeruleancentaur 03:40, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Canon

Is this country/territory of Ethiopia canon or not? Juan Martin Velez Linares 11:24, 14 September 2015 (CDT)

Discussions are ranging between myself, MisterXeight and Alfishes. Watch this space. BoArthur 09:46, 15 September 2015 (PDT)

Thank you, Mr. Fishes and Mr. Arthur for all your help. Without further adieu, I can finally, after eight years of procrastinating, present a formal proposal for this tiny statelet-within-a-state located along the Somali coast. Στυν υγεία μας, ρε παιδιά! https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/conculture/conversations/messages/40465 Misterxeight 12:24, 16 September 2015 (PDT)

New Stuff as of 20/02/2015

Alright, this is the proposal for the history of the GRE that I'm bringing to the discussion table. I hope to get some dialogue going and get this adapted to canon sometime in the near future. I talked with BoArthur & AlFishes recommended that when the page is adopted that I streamline the history down to 1-2k words down from 5-6k. I have a rough idea of demography which I'll post soon, and that probably just leaves international politics, its economy, intra-provincial politics, and what if any relations it keeps with Greece. I have an idea of like a Greek version of the Goethe Institute/Cervantes Institute/Sorbonne, so that should be fun. Misterxeight 16:59, 20 September 2015 (PDT)

Is anyone interested? I have loads of ideas to bring to IB, but I can't if no one wants to talk about them with me. Is anyone out there reading this? Misterxeight 08:46, 21 September 2015 (PDT)

Sure, I'm in. What do you have in mind? Juan Martin Velez Linares 11:00, 21 September 2015 (CDT)

What I have in mind is on the page already. I'm leery about proceeding onto new ideas until this one is thoroughly debated, fine-tuned, and on its way to acceptance. I am sort of unwilling to proceed onto other projects just in case one idea isn't accepted and then I have to go back and fix it; one at a time is best, I think. Misterxeight 11:58, 21 September 2015 (PDT)

All that I've read seems to play nicely with the other information known about Ethiopia and QSS. But I'm admittedly not the most versed in the continent of Africa, aside Algeria. BoArthur