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Just a question... if NS is called 'Ujvidek' officially there, why not also call Subatica 'Szabadka'? I'd think there be a higher percentage of Hungarians in SU than NS? Dalmatinac

I thought that most of the cities and towns in Vojvodina would retain their Hungarian names, so Subotica would be called Szabadka too, but I also wanted it to be called Subatica, which is its name in the local Bunjevac dialect, and Bunjevci are the most numerous ethnic group there, you know... They would lead the city I think... Most of the cities in Vojvodina have multiple names anyway, even *here*. --George (talk) 11:13, 22 August 2007 (PDT)
Works for me. :) Dalmatinac

I'm just curious what more you'd like to do with this. How do you see Serbia in IB in terms of actual details--how does it get along with its neighbors, what are its major religions, its form of government, etc.? Zahir 23:50, 26 Sep 2005 (PDT)

I need to mention this.

I know Zlatiborica won't know this, but isn't this *exactly* what we're trying to move away from? I don't mean the content, far from it. I mean:

  • we all agreed that proposals go by the list first, not getting written up in article format here on the wiki.
  • we don't try to be wikipedia (or import articles in toto)
  • we quit using the proposal tag

Please don't think I'm being overly harsh about this, but if it's not nipped in the bud, what's the point of all our discussion over the past month? I'm aware that it's strictly Balkans-internal, but, at root, it's the principle of it. Deiniol 15:51, 15 July 2006 (PDT)

We're not using the Proposal tag at all anymore? I did not understand that was supposed to be the case. I'm not opposed to this, but frankly admit to being confused. Zahir 16:11, 15 July 2006 (PDT)
That's the impression I was under. Seeing as how we agreed that we would be making proposals through the mailing list it becomes rather superfluous, no? The point here being that the creation of this article is basically in contradiction of pretty much everything that we've been discussing. I also feel guilty about the images taken from wikipedia taking up Muke's space, but meh. Deiniol 16:24, 15 July 2006 (PDT)
I didn't know that. :( So, should I copy/paste the text to a mail and send it to the list? --George D. Bozovic (talk) 17:03, 15 July 2006 (PDT)

One thing I'm wondering, how different is Serbia *there* and *here* ? looking at the serbian article on wikipedia, whole passage seem to have been copypasted with only small changes made. So apart from being a monarchy now, is it mainly the same history ? what is for that matter the Point of Departure ?

Serbia is more rural, more oriental, more traditional, less technically developed, less educated, less democratic, poorer, more defiant, and more willing to make a war than *here*. That's probably because *there* Serbia was under Turkish and Austrian rule much more than it was *here*. And the language is different, being some more influenced by Russian. Serbian Government is trying to make good relations with Dalmatia, but the people don't like Dalmatians. Both Government and people just hate Sanjak, too. Russia is their most beloved country. Turkey, Hungary, Bulgaria, Albania, Italy, Austria, HRE, and all Islamic countries are sometimes (but quite often) frowned on, too. But France, RTC, Bohemia, Slevania, Greece, and Federated Kingdoms are considered friendly countries by the people of Serbia. --George D. Bozovic (talk) 10:27, 17 July 2006 (PDT)
For Dalmatia's part, the government is trying as well to develop good relations with Serbia - of the Balkan states, Serbia is viewed as the closest 'friend' (after Romania), given the shared history through the Great Balkan War, being at the receiving end of the DPA (Danubian People's Army - DNA, in Serbian) aggression - overlooking the parts of the war that were fought between the two. And, also because of the shared hatred of Sanjak, and dislike of Croatia. As far as the Dalmatian people are concerned: in Raguza and the other coastal areas, there isn't really a dislike of Serbs, more a bit of mistrust (An "If it ain't Latin, don't trust it" mentality); in Bosna and in Kozara, where the main scenes of battle against Serbs took place, there is a lingering dislike, but most people are willing to put that aside: the government says we need Serbia as a friend, so that's that. Dalmatinac
A Serb would say, "If it is Latin, don't trust it!" ;) There is a Serbian folk poem named "Dusan's wedding", in which he marries a Latin (Dalmatian) princess, but Dalmatians are trying to escape this wedding somehow, by many tricks and tasks that they give to Tsar Dusan. Tsar Dusan's nephew Milos Voinovic finally takes her from the clever Dalmatians and gives her to the Tsar. And this proverb is from that poem. :D However, many Serbs are aware after all that Dalmatians are their closest neighbours and that they share some common history and many common battles against Turks. --George D. Bozovic (talk) 08:01, 18 July 2006 (PDT)
Apropos: in Banyaluka (Dalmateska) there is a street that even now is called Rua da Car Duszan... :) Dalmatinac

Another question, if kosovo is part of Serbia, shouldn't there be albanians in the demography ? --Marc Pasquin 19:05, 16 July 2006 (PDT)

It isn't. It is divided between Dalmatia, Albania and Sanjak, in that order of size. Dalmatinac

May I now edit the article in order to change the paragraphs that were discussed on the mailing list? And what about the proposal tag? --George D. Bozovic (talk) 08:34, 20 July 2006 (PDT)

Btw, I have written the Constitution of the Kingdom of Serbia (however, not in English, but in IB-Serbian), so I'm wondering where could I put it? --George D. Bozovic (talk) 08:52, 20 July 2006 (PDT)
I am sorry that you have entered the project at such a tough time when it is not clear at all what the project will be in the future. In such a time there are many difficulties, but I hope they will be solved soon in one way or another. Under the current suggestions, the best place for the constitution would be either your own website (if you would start one) or your user pages on this wiki. But however I still do not loose the hope that it will be possible to save the wiki for those interested in it in the way it used to be in which case it will be possible for you and other interested people to edit the articles once again. So, we'll see what the developments will be (for now, you might want to place the constitution on a subpage of your userpage temporarily). Abdul-aziz 10:14, 20 July 2006 (PDT)
Thank you. I am quite sorry too. :) --George D. Bozovic (talk) 13:49, 20 July 2006 (PDT)
Um, about this "Serbo-Montenegrin" force during GWI... Montenegro doesn't exist, and I believe Montenegrins don't either. A more reasonable force would be "Serbo-Albanian". Seth 5:40, 25 July 2006
Montenegro did exist *there* as a fully independent and sovereign country from 1883 to 1919 and its troops were fighting in the First Great War. --George D. Bozovic (talk) 08:19, 25 July 2006 (PDT)
I wonder if there's a similar independence movement *there*? Deiniol 10:54, 25 July 2006 (PDT)
In Montenegro? Well, it could be. However, it wouldn't be the Montegerins, but the Serbs, since there are no Montenegrins *there*. I believe it is up to Ferko. :) His territory - his independence movements. --George D. Bozovic (talk) 14:17, 25 July 2006 (PDT)


Isn't it part of Croatia there? Judging by Ferko's maps, that is. --Quentin 07:47, 25 July 2006 (PDT)

Those maps are conflicting in some areas. --Sikulu 07:48, 25 July 2006 (PDT)
Ferko agreed on the conculture list that Vojvodina is entirely in Serbia, not in Croatia. --George D. Bozovic (talk) 08:19, 25 July 2006 (PDT)

Snorist Serbia

Here's a proposal for a Snorist backet Serbia during the Second great war. Like the serbian flag *here*, it reverse the colours from the Russian flag. --Marc Pasquin 16:44, 8 December 2006 (PST)

Aha, nice. --George D. Bozovic (talk) 06:01, 10 December 2006 (PST)
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