Talk:Franco-Prussian War

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Dragon.gif Franco-Prussian War was the Ill Bethisad Collaboration of the Fortnight on April 17, 2008.
For details on how the article improved, see the Franco-Prussian War history page.

The major problem would lie here: there was no Austro-Prussian War in IB and due to the Vienna Congress *there*, no similar Bohemian-Prussian war could happen, because Bohemia was already sharp on Prussia just waiting to punish any Prussian provocation. Industrial power of Bohemia was much stronger than of Austria *here*, they did not loose Silesia; vice versa, Prussia was weaker. I would try to think out, what might substitute the Austro-Prussian War in consequences. -- Jan II.

Is the current text straight from Wikipedia? Benkarnell 17:15, 17 April 2008 (PDT)

I would believe so. hence it's marked as source.BoArthur 06:35, 18 April 2008 (PDT)

Causus Belli

The cause of the war might have been Luxembourg itself. With France under a Napoleon once more, there might have been fear in Germany that the French emperor might try to do as his uncle and use Luxembourg to obtain the HRE's crown. To prevent this, Prussia might have push the idea of getting rid of foreign influence (there might even have been veiled threats toward Scandinavia) to drum up support for an attack on France. --Marc Pasquin 12:15, 19 April 2008 (PDT)

At the time, Lux was not officially annexed to France anyway. Napoleon may have made the tensions worse by moving toward official annexation. The real Napoleon III and Bismarck sparred over Lux as a prelude to the war: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxembourg_Crisis; http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crise_luxembourgeoise. Benkarnell 12:47, 19 April 2008 (PDT)
I like where this is going... BoArthur 06:53, 22 April 2008 (PDT)
We seem to have stalled out on this...any comments to get it rolling again? BoArthur 17:41, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
OK, to get our bearings, I'll re-ask a question Marc and I were chewing on a while back: in 1870, did the Holy Roman Empire look more like the German Confederation from *here* (http://www.thomasgraz.net/glass/map-D-1815.htm) or more like modern Germany of IB (Image:HRE map.png)? Benkarnell 19:33, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
I'll defer to Jan to be sure, but I do believe that Germany's history is relatively unchanged until the mid 19th Century (1800's). Obviously, it was the Hohenzollern Prussians that got the world fired up into GWI, IIRC; Jan? BoArthur 19:39, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Gone and reviewed it. The borders would've been more like the ThomasGraz map, with the exceptions that there isn't the Venedic land attributed to the Prussians, as Veneda held on, unlike Poland. BoArthur 14:04, 16 November 2015 (PST)

Moresnet

(1.5 years later) I had a thought about this war today when I mentioned Neutral Moresnet on Conculture. I know that it's QSS that the Congress of Vienna did not create that neutral zone around the zinc mine: *there* Napoleon basically had his way at the Congress and likely kept the zinc for himself. ([1]) But following the Prussian victory over France, could Prussia not have forced the creation of Neutral Moresnet? It would give it an opportunity to come into being *there*, and honestly it's a shame to let it go to waste: as both a microstate and a condominium, it's one of the most Ill-Bethisadish places ever to exist! Benkarnell 03:10, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Have at it Ben! BoArthur 16:28, 13 November 2015 (PST)

Treaty of Frankfurt

I'm not a military historian and am not interested in detailing the events of this war. But I have come up with a proposal for the main terms of the Treaty of Frankfurt. I think it might tie up some loose ends in the history of Germany and France, as well as Jervaine, Batavia, Helvetia, and Italy. Here are my ideas:

Territorial changes:
1. Luxemburg was made fully independent with the option of re-joining Germany in the future (which it did).
2. The French-speaking western part of Luxembourg was confirmed as an inseparable part of the grand duchy. This had been in dispute before.
3. The short German-French border in the Rhineland area was adjusted very slightly in Germany's favor.
4. Prussia annexed the remaining post-Bonapartist territories in the Rhineland and Westphalia (see Napoleon#Napoleon's rule in Luxemburg).
Political and economic changes:
5. The remaining parts of the Napoleonic system were dismantled as France lost its special privileges in Batavia, Helvetia, and Italy. All of these states had Napoleonic roots.
6. Germany's co-sovereignty in the Black Forest of Jervaine was confirmed. French influence in Jervaine was once again limited to Moselle.
7. A condominium was created for middle Moresnet (per my suggestion above).

I'll put this on Conculture later, but thought I'd begin here as it's a wiki collaboration of the very, very long fortnight. Benkarnell 04:45, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm no historian of these events, either, but it seems reasonable and fits with What I Know. BoArthur 16:27, 13 November 2015 (PST)
Trying to incorporate them in. Making a mess, I fear, as there's a broad swath of geography that I know VERY WELL *here*, but not *there* BoArthur 23:01, 13 November 2015 (PST)
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