Talk:Wilhelm III

Does the House of Hohenzollern continue there? Or were they barred from ruling Prussia after GW2? Marc? Jan? Jan II? Anyone? Everyone? BoArthur

To force the abdication of the ruling prussian house (as HGE head of state) would have made a lot of sense after GW2 as part of the "fragmentation" policies of the allies. just my opinion.--Marc Pasquin 17:41, 31 October 2005 (PST)

Yeah. Now that you mention it, I wonder if it wouldn't have been much more likely that they had turned Prussia into a Republic! --IJzeren Jan 22:53, 31 October 2005 (PST)

I dunno. In IB the tendency to respect heads that wear crowns seems like a pretty strong tradition--or to keep crowns on somebody's head. What if they did what Americans did to Japan *here*, reducing the Kaiser to a figurehead and putting draconian provisions in a republican-form constitution to interfere with any attempts to re-militarize? For example, what if it were illegal for anyone with a title to hold public office or serve in the government in any way? And have amending the Constitution (or whatever) insanely difficult, along with a formula that limited the size of Prussia's military? Just a thought. Zahir 23:02, 31 October 2005 (PST)

What I understood from the situation in Japan *here*, they actually *wanted* to dispose of Hirohito, but were somehow convinced that that wouldn't be taken well by the Japanese population. But I guess you are right anyway.

Actually, I just took a look at Kaiser Wilhelm II, and it's written that he died in 1941. So Wilhelm III was not merely a crown prince, but also an actually king/emperor. In the same article it's also written that Wilhelm III "ruled for a time", but in reality the throne had been usurped by the Chancellor himself. Now, the article about Wilhelm III actually confirms this, but also writes that he stepped back in 1942, when the throne was taken by Hessler himself.

That last thing is something I can't really swallow. Whatever power Hessler may have had, but he himself ascending the imperial throne is way beyond probability. My original idea when I invented the name "Adolf I" was that it was a nickname he owed to the fact that he completely overshadowed the emperor, but definitely not that he was really emperor himself.

So how are we going to solve that problem? Long ago, I suggested Wilhelm III's son (who died *here* in 1940) might play a role as "Wilhelm IV". I still think that could work. If we go for that, éither Wilhelm IV became a figurehead emperor in 1942, ór Wilhelm III remained a figurehead emperor until 1949, and after that, Wilhelm IV could be become king of a liberated Prussia with clean hands.

In any case, let's assume that the Allies did not turn Prussia into a republic in 1949. But what they did (and that's QSS), is that they decimated its territory and kept it under occupation till the mid-1950s. It's quite possible that Wilhelm IV or someone else became or remained king of this Prussia, but his position wouldn't be the same: he definitely would not remain emperor of the entire HRE, and his position would probably have become a purely ceremonial one.

Comments? --IJzeren Jan 23:45, 31 October 2005 (PST)

All that makes sense to me. Wilhelm II dies in 1941. Wilhelm III becomes a de facto figurehead (save for helping "depose" Hessler in 1949) and abdicates or dies around the end of the war. Wilhelm IV becomes a purely ceremonial King of Prussia. Perhaps his actual coronation is delayed until the end of the occupation? Or not. Zahir 06:46, 1 November 2005 (PST)

I made the comment of Wilhelm resigning in effect because it was stated that Hessler had assumed total control. I like your last paragraph, and that flows better. Please adjust my wilhelm III article.BoArthur 07:21, 1 November 2005 (PST)

Needed Reviews

1. This article needs to be adjusted to match the royalty *there* since many of the royals listed were in some way related to Victoria. Because she didn't exist *there*, we need to know the changes.
2. We need SR related items checked for QSS consistency.
3. We need concensus on the way things panned to make sure they match with all items QSS.

Regarding Royalty

Another problem is the fact that many of the royals in Europe are in some way related to Christian IX — the so-called "father-in-law of European royalty". What I do for SR royalty is to assume the same names and dates, but not necessarily the same persons. Boreanesia 02:44, 2 November 2005 (PST)

Regarding QSS of SR-related Items

So far so good. But keep in mind that in 1933, almost the entire Mecklenburg-Schwerin family was assinated by Hessler. Furthermore, Wilhelm III's wife, Duchess Cecilie of Mecklenburg-Schwerin, was the sister of Archqueen Alexandrine of the SR, the wife of Archking Christian X of the SR. Perhaps it would be an important to mention this somewhere in the article as it was what contributed to Mecklenburg's resistence to Hessler's domination. I'd also think that Cecilie, like her sister, would also be vehemently opposed to Hessler's policies. Afterall, he was responsible for the extermination of much of her family. Boreanesia 02:44, 2 November 2005 (PST)

How was this assasination carried out? Or has that been worked out yet? To kill an entire family wouild presumably involve an explosion? Also, I just did a search of IB Wiki and found no reference to Christian X, which is a pity because he sounds interesting. I was thinking this might also be important vis-a-vis Wilhelm IV. Zahir 06:37, 2 November 2005 (PST)

I don't recall that we have worked out the assasination in any detail. Note that not the entire family was killed. Certainly, Cecilie and Alexandrine were still alive long after the war. What we do know is that Hessler definitely exterminated the male line of Mecklenburg-Schwerin, and thereafter united the two Mecklenburg duchies under the line of Mecklenburg-Strelitz.

As for Christian X, we don't know that much about him either. As with all SR royalty, I assume the same dates of birth, marriage, and death, and the same relationships, but not necessarily the same person as his alter ego *here* namely, King Christian X of Denmark and Iceland. I suppose a number of various anecdotes and trivias known about Christian X *here* during WWII also apply *there* during GWII. I'm thinking especially about his resistance to German domination. Perhaps he lived in Oldenburg as a sign of his defiance and rode daily on horseback around the town of Oldenburg (not accompanied by a groom, let alone by a guard, as he did in Copenhagen *here* during Nazi occupation). Boreanesia

As for the assassination, I don't know the details either, but I think I've read something about an assault by a group of (disguised?) soldiers, carried out during the night, possibly at different places simultaneously. --IJzeren Jan 07:43, 2 November 2005 (PST)

Huh. Interesting. Well, *here* Alexandrine's only brother was Grand Duke Friedrich Franz IV (b.1904). He could easily have had a son or two who were killed in the same afore-mentioned assault. Easier if the number of male heirs was small and gathered in one place--for some event or other, probably. A holiday in a hunting lodge? Presumably blamed on ardent Republicans or Soviets. Yes? No? Maybe?

But maybe more interesting would be how Wilhelm IV would look upon all this. For example, might he--upon achieving the throne--looked to his uncle as a better model for kingship than his grandfather or father? Zahir 07:57, 2 November 2005 (PST)