Talk:Space Voyage 2245

Maybe you should move the movie and images to so other webspace. You can't dowload a file or view an image left inside a Yahoogroups folder (even through a link) unless you are logged it to it.--Marc Pasquin 08:11, 21 Feb 2005 (PST)

Good point. I'll have to do that. I wondered why it worked some times for me and sometimes not. :) BoArthur

An idea for a comment to add to the entry?

Several episodes of this series were aired in Dalmatia, to massive discontent and hostility, primarily due to the fact that there isn't a Dalmatian present in the crew. In response to this, Dalmatian film studios produced a new series of their own, entitled (English translation) "Space Patrol: The Fantastic Adventures of the Spaceship Orion" (cf. *here* Raumpatrouille aka Die phantastischen Abenteuer des Raumschiffes ORION, that came out slightly before the original Trek series that has to this day a large following in Germany and elsewhere, ref http://www.orionspace.de ).

sounds like a plan to add something. That oculd be really interesting. :) Would there be movies made from it as well? BoArthur 16:31, 5 Mar 2005 (PST)

LOL, my first reaction to the article was "ooh, I'm going to claim Orion!", but it seems someone has been quicker once more. Hmmm... what's left for the Jervan screen productions, then? Babloena V? Dragonfly/Tranquility? (Ain't gonna be canceled this time it ain't!) The Jervan 16:22, 30 May 2005 (PDT)

There's always Battleoid Universicum.... or something similar. :) BoArthur

Maybe eventually, if Dalmatia can catch up in space and popular interest in space exploration re-surges...

Dalmatia could approach one of the major groups, or pull from the Euro-consortium and start its own entirely self-contained space program....although they might run rather quickly out of test-pilots... BoArthur 16:19, 6 Mar 2005 (PST)

There was some news reports posted to the conculture list a few hours ago explaining just such an event. Completely OOCly, the mysterious explosion *was* a secret attempt at a manned launch, that failed...the tabloid got it right.

Names

IN a desire to get the names right, can I have those of you who know the naming styles of the SR, Kemr, Japan and the RTC/Slevania to give me some LOCAL sounding names for the actual actors of these parts? It would be particularly funny (to me) if we decided that the actor playing Anton Slewanic was from some completely unrelated country, like the guy that played Chekov *here* was an american of German descent, I believe. Please let me know! BoArthur 17:59, 29 Aug 2005 (PDT)

Well, on my names page you can find a list of Wenedyk first and last names. Feel free to pick anything. Or ask me for more...

BTW, to me, Mr. Chekov will always remain Mr. Bester! --IJzeren Jan 22:05, 29 Aug 2005 (PDT)

Antagonists ?

Trek had Klingons, Romulans, Borg, the Dominion, etc. Andromeda had the Magog. Battlestar: Galactica has the Cylons. Blake's Seven had the Federation. Farscape had both the Peacekeepers and the Scarrens. So who're the antagonists in Space Voyage 2245? And don't tell me the Zmorite Horde because they're just not enough (besides, aren't they just for the movie?).

Some possibilities:

• The old standby of a "Warrior Race" a la Larry Niven's Kzinti.
• An ancient melevolance that is opposed by an equally ancient but hidden force of good guys (Doc Smith's Lensmen series or B5).
• A fanatical group of would-be revolutionaries who want to transform the Codominion into a totaltitarian state.
• A renegade Earth Royal and his/her followers who intend to usurp Their Universal Majesties.
• A subspecies of humanity--either mutated by events or deliberately--who seek conquest rather than enslavement.
• Evil machine intelligences obeying the warlike programming of their creators.
• A very alien race with whom we had a disasterous First Contact, one that still sparks conflict to this day.

Comments? Suggestions? Zahir 16:40, 3 January 2006 (PST)

In my mind, the zmorite would have been the major vilain, being a not-so-subtil stab at SNORist russia. Though we could have staples of Sci-Fi, I feel its better if they represented some aspect of IB: a self deprecating group of pirates being inspired by the scandinavians, an highly computer-reliant race being based on the irish, etc....--Marc Pasquin 17:11, 3 January 2006 (PST)

next generation ?

after reading your additions, I think I might have misunderstood something: I was under the impression that SV 2245 was a "next generation" of some earlier serie. That was the reason in any case I had suggested the zmorite/snorist vilains.

If the series is of strictly recent vintage, it might make less sense then, for exemple, a parody of florida-caribea (the "Kas'troz" ?), an expanding empire of militant equalitarians that follow some sort of self-professed prophecy. --Marc Pasquin 17:19, 4 January 2006 (PST)

Well, it's based on a series of books written in the 60's, so a SNORist-based enemy would've made since at that time Nik 17:26, 4 January 2006 (PST)

As an answer to both of your posts, I'm fine to have the Zmorites fill a role like the Klingons or Romulans. Feel free to add that. I think it would be a modernization of the novels, but I think that, as the Klingons carried over, the Zmorites would, also. BoArthur 17:45, 4 January 2006 (PST)

UPDATE: Marc, if you'll read through Seasons One and Two, you will see the increased role the Zmorites will be playing. :)

You could have the Zmorites going through some huge (and unexplained) changes between the book and show (or show and movie). Something like what happened with the klingons *here* (i.e. physical) or stop having them being a snorist parody and recaling somewhat some modern disliked group. --Marc Pasquin 15:46, 7 January 2006 (PST)

I think that Kmora Xikra Khan and his ilk could be the end of the Snorist generation, and that, from the third season on, they could take on a much more modern flavor.BoArthur 16:02, 7 January 2006 (PST)

Spinoff?

I have an idea for what amounts to a spinoff to SV 2245. In essence it would focus on a few characters who don't really fit in anwhere for one reason or another--Magnus the Android, Shyana from the third season, etc. Comments? Questions? Suggestions? Zahir 21:08, 10 January 2006 (PST)

Let's do the Spinoff when we launch Season Four, which will begin in August/September. Who is Magnus the Android? Have you mentioned him? I insist that it be nothing as camp as Red Dwarf and the like. I could handle it if it were like TNG, DS9, Voyager, or even Enterprise. What all do you have in mind for the spinoff? BoArthur

Magnus is mentioned in the first season episode "Pinoccio." And I wasn't thinking of anything at all Red Dwarf or Lexx-like, but in tone something of a cross between DS9 and Farscape. Probably set aboard a problematical spacecraft exploring an odd sector of local space. Zahir 21:28, 10 January 2006 (PST)

Curiouser and curiouser. I like it, I like it very much. If it's only up to me, I say go for it. But I'm definitely eager to hear Nik's input on the subject. BoArthur

I have no objectsion. Only question is, why wouldn't Magnus remain an important character? I was thinking he was an analogue of Data Nik 00:38, 11 January 2006 (PST)

In some ways Magnus is quite Data-like, but I only wrote him into that one episode. He's an interesting idea, which is why I thought of him for the spinoff. Methinks he was a prototype, but full sentience wasn't what the project was aiming for because that would mandate full civil rights. When he demonstrated sentience, legally the Starmada had to treat him as a person, but they weren't really keen on making any more such expensive machines that would then go off and have free will. So Magnus is (so far) one-of-a-kind. Zahir 06:53, 11 January 2006 (PST)

As far as the proposed spinoff goes, I have three definite characters in mind:

• Chyanna the alien who was dissected and re-assembled by the R'Zikk in return for knowledge to help her people. She is brilliant, but (understandably) erratic and somewhat emotionally unstable. Her moods veer between ice-cold and almost disturbingly sensual, while her insights tend to be either fantastically correct or tragically wrong. Usually the former. Usually.
• Magnus is a human-built android who proved more advanced than his makers intended. He is in fact completely sentient and capable of feeling emotions, although so far not often or regularly. Since the cost of building another of him is so high, there are no other androids of his type. Yet he is genuinely interested in life, and sees things in an often suprisingly uncluttered and benevolent way.
• Professor Gideon is an alien raised by humans, most likely the only survivor of his world not "converted" by the Zeniaks. Yet he hopes that assumption to be wrong. His people are natural predators, and as such he possesses a vicious temper he keeps under rigid control. Part of this is viewing life in terms of rules.

I was thinking these three are in effect given the chance to serve/work on an unsual spacecraft--an experimental class that has certain advantages but was put in mothballs decades ago. This ship is an unusual design, requiring a relatively small crew for its great size (it was intended, among other things, to transport colonists to new worlds) and its previous deployment ended decades ago under somewhat mysterious circumstances. With so many vessels lost to the Zmorites and others, she's been recommissioned to serve as an exploratory ship.

Comments? Questions? Suggestions? Zahir 21:21, 23 January 2006 (PST)

I think we should call it Diss Funk Show, N.A.L. hee hee. I like that it's a large ship...but I would like to see more than just the three characters...perhaps for the first 5-10 episodes, but it would get boring fast, so I think that during the first episodes they would begin to pick up extra crew to support their research. I'll mull other suggestions over.

Questions I have are; What is the ship's design? Why would the Condominium only send out 3 people on such a large ship? Does it have a good self-defense system? is there an AI that helps defend the ship? A symbiont? Like the Pilot in Farscrape? Why would these three choose to travel together when they're on such different ends of the emotional/physical spectrums? BoArthur

I wasn't assuming that only three people were aboard the ship, but that these are three of the cast. I was assuming Professor Gideon is looking maybe for a lost colony of his own people. Shyanna is going where her intuition tells her. But you've sparked an interesting idea. Suppose this ship has an android Caretaker of sorts? Not anywhere near as advanced as Magnus, but the nearest thing Magnus has to "one of his own kind." This Caretaker could function much as a cross between Pilot on Farscape and the Avatar of the ship on Andromeda. And this Caretaker is (in theory) the only one to know all the ship's history--save for the parts that were erased of course. <g>

My assumption is that these characters would actually function rather well together, because they each have what the others lack. Perhaps the captain of the ship is someone who came up with the idea of bringing this particular team together? Plus a certain complement of more-or-less "regular" crewman, who still hardly take up that much space in this really big ship. I kinda played with the idea that the ship's design is less retro-modern (all gleaming panels and primary colors, which is how I imagined the Vanguard) and more a kind of art deco version of Disney's Nautilus in 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea. Ovals rather than circles. Hexagons rather than squares. Instead of blacks, grays and whites, this ship would have earth tones and pastels.

I'm presuming the ship can take care of itself. Perhaps, though, because it is an exploratory vessel, it has few offensive weapons? Maybe instead it has a defensive shield that is unusually efficient (but of course not perfect)?

So I'm quite amenable to ideas for new characters. I rather like the idea of a Captain who sees the potential for this group of oddballs. And the Caretaker. Plus of course we need a ship's name... Zahir 23:07, 23 January 2006 (PST)

I like where this is going. I don't know so much about the art-deco pastelly stuff... you'd have to come up with a design and let me see it. :) I'll send you what I've got for the Vanguard. (It's changed a bunch since I first envisaged it.) I'll even upload it here to the wiki. That'll give you an idea. Is it more like the USS Defiant? (What you have in mind) And maybe they have a defensive weapon that's only used in last-case scenario because of its incredible power like Gomtuu. What do you think? BoArthur

As for a name, how about Space Voyage:Mariner? or just plain Mariner? I like Mariner as a stand-alone, BTW. BoArthur 23:57, 23 January 2006 (PST)

I like Mariner. Anyone else have another suggestion?

To give you some idea what I had in mind, here are pictures of two very different types of spacecraft that neverless share many characteristics. I was thinking this kinda shows the different design and sizes between the types of ships...

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/5773/svships3jp.jpg

I was thinking if Vanguard resembles the basic Starfleet ships a la STAR WRECK, or maybe Earthforce ships on BABYLON FIVE, then Mariner (if we keep that name) would be more akin to Moya on FARSCAPE or perhaps Minbari ships on B5.

As for its weaponry, I'm unsure. The main thing is that I'd like this ship to be designed to survive, rather than inflict damage. It was never intended to be a warship (which forces its stories into an entirely different direction than that of SV 2245). Zahir 07:36, 24 January 2006 (PST)

Impressive! I was thinking for the Vanguard something like this but with four nacelles, looking something more like an aircraft. I'll send you what I have, and I'll let you design anything, if you feel so inclined. As for Mariner, I like what you've done very much. Why the purple, though? Could you try it with some dark or shaded gold, as it seems that's the colors for the Starmada? Again, very impressive. I can see that you're good at your job! BoArthur 08:32, 24 January 2006 (PST)

Pardon me while I emit peels of laughter! I loved Galaxy Quest! However, I should point out I did not in fact create the pics above. Those are pics I found on the web and used simply as an example. Okay, I did fudge with the colors a bit, turning green into purple for the Mariner. I'll see what I can do, though. BTW, I trust you recognize the "inspirations" for Professor Gideon, Shyanna and Magnus? Heh heh heh... Zahir 08:38, 24 January 2006 (PST)

I have Bryce 5, and I can work on this maybe tomorrow, if you want? BoArthur 09:21, 24 January 2006 (PST)

Honestly, I don't know what Bryce 5 is. But I welcome anything you care to offer. Zahir 09:32, 24 January 2006 (PST)

Bryce 5 is a digital rendering program, like what Pixar uses. BoArthur 09:47, 24 January 2006 (PST)

Something to consider so that it doesn't look *too* "star-treky" could be to incorporate some nautical element to it. So for example figurative sails in the middle (think of the sydney opera house) a cabana-like captain's quarter you see on pirate ships and a pointy & slightly upturned bit at the front (like a jack staff).--Marc Pasquin 18:11, 28 January 2006 (PST)

Catch-Phrase

I was looking for the "He's Dead, Jim" of Dr. McCoy. Can we work something out along those lines? BoArthur 20:42, 25 January 2006 (PST)

Yeah, that was my idea, too. My thought was to make it more distinct from the Star Trek phrase, as well as to add a hint of spirituality to her particular phrasing. Nik 21:15, 25 January 2006 (PST)

"Never give up! Never surrender!" Okay, that was silly. You know, one of my fave science fiction series has a character (he's the Emperor of a star-spanning empire, and a good guy) whose catch phrase is "Let's see what happens." Hmmmm. How about "I need another answer"???? Zahir 21:19, 25 January 2006 (PST)

"and so it came to pass". vague and metaphysical. --Marc Pasquin 18:11, 28 January 2006 (PST)

Uniforms

proposal for uniforms

Just an idea I had the other night, the lines on the upper part of the shirt are meant to recall the "square rig" worn in the old days by many navies. For the uniform, I thought they would go with "TV logic" instead of "military logic". In other words, "how can you easily them them apart without needing to freeze and zoom the image to read his badge". Also, similar uniform means you can resuse the same model for figurines, only changing the heads and paint mask. --Marc Pasquin 15:45, 8 February 2007 (PST)

Oooooh! Purtee! I like them! Zahir 16:00, 8 February 2007 (PST)

So, I'm guessing that the running gag is that you don't want to be a watchman on SV2245? (Like the "red-shirts" in Star Trek *here*?) Tell me what kind of equivalents you had in mind for the Spaceman, Watchman and Starfighter, Marc? I think they're great...but do the senior crew still follow the original that you came up with? BoArthur 08:27, 9 February 2007 (PST)

Spaceman = generic background personnel (the name is based on "seaman" in the navy *here*)

Watchman = Security/marines (the one that use guns more often and get shot a lot)

Starfighter = pilot of the gunships

the senior crew would indeed have different uniform then the lower echelon like the navy in the old days.

--Marc Pasquin 14:35, 9 February 2007 (PST)

Hey Marc, A request? The brown of the watchman and the red of the spaceman are so very close to one another, could there maybe be a larger band on one or the other's arms to help them be more visually distinctive? Or do you think that they will look different enough? The colors aren't garishly different enough for me, I guess. I'm just used to the primary colored Blue, Yellow and Red of the Star Trek Universe. BoArthur 14:08, 9 February 2007 (PST)

I'll try a few things and post the results later.--Marc Pasquin 14:35, 9 February 2007 (PST)

One thing that could help would to be to give the spacemen a hat like that of the starfighters. BoArthur 15:25, 9 February 2007 (PST)

How's this, the red is brighter on the spacemen and the watchmen got armour and a helmet instead of the beret. --Marc Pasquin 16:41, 11 February 2007 (PST)

These are very cool. Note to self - never be an extra on a sci-fi show. :) --Sikulu 00:56, 12 February 2007 (PST)

Marc, that's AWESOME! I love it! It goes. :) And Sikulu, just remember, you can guest on SV2245, just don't be a watchman. They're always Private Dead-Meat when they're unknown extras. BoArthur 11:44, 12 February 2007 (PST)

Always make sure that you have a speaking part on sci-fi shows. That way, there's a smaller chance of you dieing. :) --Sikulu 00:47, 13 February 2007 (PST)

Interesting detail I just came across. In the Elizabeth Moon space opera series called Vatta's War the heroine manages to capture a pirate's space ship. She decided to rename it (well, easy to see why) and guess what name she chose? Vanguard!!!!! <g> Zahir 19:13, 13 February 2007 (PST)

Latest Iteration

So, to make sure I understand, the extras will appear in the bottom-most version, the crew that merit billing in the opening credits are the ones below the captain and first officer, right? BoArthur 14:33, 28 March 2007 (PDT)

Exactly. If you wear a square rig, you're cannon fodder/monster bait/mysterious accident victim.--Marc Pasquin 17:27, 28 March 2007 (PDT)