Talk:Malucos

Again, abdul, you're changing QSS. Roger Mills in September said:

I've been pondering this for some time, and perhaps it's time to declare:

Since I'm not terribly active in working on the Indonesian area (though I guess I staked out the first claim there), others should feel free to develop it if they wish, under the following QSS--

1. 3 modern states-- Srivijaya (Buddhist), Majapahit (perhaps a different sect of Buddhism, or Javanized Hinduism??), and the Ecotopian Republic of Maluku Merdeka (R.C. with native remnants; grabbed by the Spanish early on, originally administered out of Manila). I hope the map ca. 1650 is still up somewhere; the modern borders, perhaps with slight tweaks, would be roughly the same.

2. Only a small Batavian enclave in Aceh. No Dutch colonial period, and only a little Islamic penetration in the entire archipelago.

3. If there's anything I've forgotten, I'll squawk if it's violated :-))))

No Islamic radicals trying to start civil wars in Maluku. Maluku from what I gather is part of the Filipinas. Aceh is the small Islamic area. This was all discussed on Conculture. -- Doobieous

As it turns out they are not RC. First of all, the Castilians are Isidorian Catholics. Secondly, we discovered recently that Nestorian Christianity was present in the region before the Castilians came. Boreanesia 08:48, 6 November 2005 (PST)

As it now stands, I have no problem with this. In the Discussion at Mazapahit Jan posted the link to the IB page on my website, which contains a further link to the modern map of the area. I would suggest this be consulted.

The date for independence seems reasonable. One would assume that they became officially "ecotopian" sometime in the 60s-to-80s period, even though there could have been long-standing traditions of care for the rather fragile island environments.

Sorry, I should have signed the above. Rfmills

The So-called Modern Map

The link to the modern map shows the island of Bornei subdivided between Mazapahit, Xrivizaja, and Bornei-Filipinas. It also shows the state of Bornei as a small state, which is hardly the case *there* (since Brooke never became the "white rajah" *there*), so Bornei itself certainly controls the entire northern coast of the island. I have also earlier expressed that it would be more likely that the entire island belong to Bornei-Filipinas. This is because the center of the Borneian Church, Quinabatañgan (in Sabah), is located on the island, and so I think its likely that all the statelets on the island became Christian tributaries to Bornei. At the very least, the equivalent of *here's* Sarawak, Brunei, Sabah, and Kalimantan Timur ought to be part of Bornei-Filipinas. Boreanesia 05:41, 7 November 2005 (PST)

In fact, *here* all of Borneo was at one time under the control of the Sultan of Brunei. The Dutch took over Kalimantan, and the British eventually took over the rest. So, I'd also concur with all of Borneo being under Boneo-Filipinas' control. P.S. who has control over the island of New Guinea? --Sikulu 16 December 2005, 14:22 (GMT)