Talk:List of Popes

I don't know what the correlations are between here and there, but I figured I'd pull this in and we'd update and change as needed. BoArthur 12:04, 2 Apr 2005 (PST)

Greetings:

There is a list of recent Popes of Rome (since 1775) at <http://www.geocities.com/ill_bethisad/papal_states.htm> I don't really know what to do with the code that makes up this "List of Popes", so am hesitant to edit it. Before 1775, I would assume that the Popes correspond to *here*'s Popes. Note that the 20th century Popes are _extremely_ different between *here* and *there*, so there is a desperate need for the IBWiki's list to be altered.

I don't know anything about the personal histories of anyone on the list, except that the present John XXIIJ is from Sevilla in Spain, and was quite young at his installation. He is now 74.

Padraic.

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A few questions: Why the J in XXIIJ? Is that a convention *there*?

Sure, why not!?[PB]

And if so, what are the rules?

Last "I" is a "J". The convention is used in one of the old Apothecary's handbooks I've got. It's just to avoid "minim confusion" I think. Especially given that physicians have penmanship that is only marginally worse than the average two year old's. [PB]

I quite like the convention. However, I have such a feeling that it works only in lower case. So XVIII in upper case and xviij in lower case. Ain't that correct? --IJzeren Jan 22:54, 20 Apr 2005 (PDT)

Works either way, I guess. When you're writing a prescription, it doesn't really come out as either upper or lower case... The convention now seems to be dotted Ts.[PB]

:-) Am I correct in assuming that if there's just one I, it would still be I? For example, 16 would be XVI, while 17 would be XVIJ?

Yeah: one I is an I, two II is an IJ.[PB]

How did someone only 58 years old become Pope?

The Spirit moves in mysterious ways.[PB]

Why is that so strange anyway? Karol Wojtyła *here* was also in his late fifties when he became JP2. --IJzeren Jan 22:54, 20 Apr 2005 (PDT)

Which Spain is Sevilla in?

Er. One of them? I think Castilla. It's in the south, in Andalucia, on the Guadalquivir R.[PB]

Sevilla is the Capital of Andalusia, in Castilian Spain. --Carlos Th 21:35, 19 Apr 2005 (PDT)

Popes of medieval schisma

When I was conculturing the papal schisma in 15th century for IB, I took the popes as they were *here* from my sources: last pope in Avignon was Petrus de Luna aka Benedict XIII., abdication 1417; looks like he was never recognised as "real" pope *here* (name Benedict XIII. used Pietro Francesco Orsini 1724-30). But why Benedict XII. of Avignon was "real"? ;) So could I use Benedict XIII. also as last pope of Avignon *there*? And what about Balthasar Cossa aka Johannes XXIII. of Pisa? Would not it be good also to list here all antipopes, Pisan and Avignon popes etc.? It makes better ground for conculturing details. See also entry for Jan Hus Jan II. 9:10, 20 Apr 2005 (CEST)

Is this page even necessary?

Wouldn't it suffice to simply list the popes from the POD, namely, Pius VI? Especially since that way we leave open the possibility of other divergences earlier on if need be? - Nik 01:08, 21 Apr 2005 (PDT)

In response to this, I have merged this page with The Papacy.