Talk:Les Plaines

Why did the people of Les Plaines reject the condominium idea? Did they prefer the NAL to Louisianne, or were they overly-ambitious, hoping for a complete return to Louisianne? Nik 23:50, 30 Sep 2005 (PDT)

with its position and history, Les Plaines probably has a sizeable and more or less equal number of people who had ancestry in either Louisiana or New Francy. By staying in NAL, this allowed them keep a sense of neutrality. There might even be a cyprus-like aspect to the province. Sound interesting come to think of it.--Marc Pasquin 06:47, 1 Oct 2005 (PDT)

I thnk that in addition to what Marc said, the people of Les Plaines were tired of being pulled back and forth between New Francy and Louisianne, and saw joining the NAL as a way to get out from between the two squabbling "siblings." At least, that was my thoughts on it, when I created the Les Plaines page. BoArthur 11:04, 1 Oct 2005 (PDT)

I should note that much of what now constitutes Les Plaines was part of the territory of the Council of Three Fires. They were staunch allies of the British, and I'm sure they had a lot to do with both punching apart Louisiana and New France as well as ensureing that the territory would become firmly British. Elemtilas 20:16, 23 January 2006 (PST)

One other thing. The reason they didn't opt for reunion with Louisianne is that for some reason at the time I didn't want to buck QSS and so I let it stay and concocted a reason for them to be part of the NAL. BoArthur

Bucking QSS is not so easily done! Elemtilas 20:16, 23 January 2006 (PST)

If anyone in IB knows that, I do. And you know I know that...BoArthur 20:37, 23 January 2006 (PST)

Nations

Any thoughts on having an some Native American Nations carved out of/part of Les Plaines? see here --Sikulu 07:29, 23 January 2006 (PST)

I don't know that they're carved out, but that they're sub-entities of Les-Plaines, if anything. That's what I've got in mind for Les Plaines, as much influence I have.BoArthur 08:51, 23 January 2006 (PST)

My understanding is that the essential existence and shape of Les Plaines is QSS. Am I wrong? But the actual organization of Les Plaines is pretty much up for grabs. It can be an ecotopic-Troskyite Commune or a hereditary monarchy or a weird fusion of the two or damn near anything else, yes? Zahir 09:01, 23 January 2006 (PST)

Well ... within reason.  :-) Being a part of the NAL places some limits on its structure Nik 09:37, 23 January 2006 (PST)

For Sikulu, it's looking like Les Plaines constitutes much of the territory of the one time Council of Three Fires (see Talk:Unincorporated Territory). Near as I can figure, the southern contingency opted to seek incorporation as a province, while the northern contingency did not and thus remained part of the UT. They haven't yet shown any desire to change their mind on the matter. I guess they're sore that the Three Fires didn't get their own province, and had to settle for becomming part of LP. For Zahir, as a province of the NAL, it really can't be much than a province of the NAL. The founding documents outline a democratic form of government, and so don't allow provinces or territories to actually be monarchies. Elemtilas 20:12, 23 January 2006 (PST)

So, is what everyone is saying is, that each nation would, perhaps, have an autonomous district within Les Plaines? --Sikulu 02:59, 24 January 2006 (PST)

No, I wasn't clear. Certainly some of the ridings that comprise Les Plaines would have been traditionally territories pertaining to the Three Fires. Some ridings might still be majority Native. What I'm saying is that at some point in time in the past, a choice came before the leaders of the Council and two of the peoples chose to become a part of an NAL province -- they lost the autonomy of an independent territory but parlayed it into a certain level of self-direction as a province. While on the other hand, one decided not to join up. If ánybody has autonomy, it's the group that remained part of the UT. Elemtilas 12:53, 24 January 2006 (PST)

Hutterites

I'm not sure what the objection is to having Hutterites in North Les Plaines? Zahir 18:50, 10 February 2006 (PST)

I'm sorry...I'm tired and sick and not sure what you're referring to...

OH dear. Here's hoping you feel many times better extremely soon! I was actually referring to this:

The Northern reaches of Les Plaines and the Unincorporated Territories are dotted with Communes of Hutterites. This doesn't make sense. I move to strike. BoArthur

I was moving to strike some other information that I nixed out already because it was suggesting that the NAL didn't already claim out to the border with Oregon, which it does, so it was fluff, so I removed it. It's all good; I wouldn't remove the Hutterites...they're one of my projects. :)

And I and my baby are both doing better...I'm in the mid-stages and my son was released from a 4 day stay in hospital yesterday...he was pre-emptively hospitalized against RSV, but all's well. BoArthur

Oh my. Well, I'm glad you're better. What is RSV? Best wishes and prayers to you both. Zahir 12:09, 11 February 2006 (PST)

Capital

What/where is Liberty? There are three "Liberty Township"s in Northern Minnesota, there's Liberty, Missouri, which I think would be in Les Plaines but on the border of Louisianne, and a North, West, and New Liberty all located around the same place in Eastern Iowa. Are any of these the equivilants? Duane 18:38, 18 March 2006 (PST)

I did some checking. Twas Bo Arthur who introduced the city of Liberty. Where he got the idea, I've no notion. Bo? Zahir 19:31, 18 March 2006 (PST)

Liberty, LP *there* is actually all of Kansas City *here* on the north banks of the Mizouri; I figured it was the largest population-wise since it was among the first founded. If we want the capital to be somewhere else, I have no objection. I just figured, on basis of size it could be Liberty, LP (MO). Let me know if you'd prefer it to be at Des Moines or somewhere... BoArthur 19:49, 19 March 2006 (PST)

Name

Would it be Province des Plaines in Francien? I don't speak French, but I do know some Spanish, and I'm pretty sure for El Salvador combined with de it's De El Salvador not Del Salvador... Duane 13:43, 22 March 2006 (PST)

It would be Province des Plaines, however in English it would come out like Des Moines does *here* (Lay Plains) BoArthur

Something that occurs to me. If it is Province des Plaines, wouldn't English-speakers call it "Des Plaines" then? Nik 00:22, 23 March 2006 (PST)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, rub it in that I'm sleep deprived...sheesh. :P BoArthur 15:33, 23 March 2006 (PST)

It might still make sense. Francophones when simply talking about the place would say "les plaines", its only when talking about it in reference to it being a province would they change it to "des" to avoid the gramaticaly wrong "Province de les plaines".--Marc Pasquin 15:42, 23 March 2006 (PST)

Certainly in French, as far as I know. Otherwise: Province of Les Plaines /prAvInts Vv l@ plejnz/. Elemtilas 13:05, 23 March 2006 (PST)

Angli?

According to the Angli page, Angli was spoken in Kemr. How'd they get to be a numerous minority in Les Plaines? I can see a local Anglo-French hybrid developing, but Angli? Nik 00:20, 23 March 2006 (PST)

?? I wasn't aware of that! Angli is Anglo-Normand-Dumnonian (not a whole lot different than *here*'s Jerriais). Any Anglo-French hybrid in Les Plaines is not Angli, whatever it's name might be! ;) This begs a couple questions: why would an Anglo-French hybrid develop in Les Plaines? Perhaps early on, when there were still a lot of French speaking folks hanging around it would make some sense. As the XIX century influx of eastern Americans drags on into the XX century, it makes a lot less sense. Elemtilas 13:09, 23 March 2006 (PST)