Talk:Japan

I love how this article looks, Niko! BoArthur 19:41, 8 Jun 2005 (PDT)

Dòmo aligatò gozaimasu! -- Nik 14:23, 9 Jun 2005 (PDT)

Proposal for naval ensign

My sugestion for a naval ensign for Japan, or perhaps for Yamato in case Japan doesn't have an unified imperial navy.--Pedromoderno 15:09, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Not the traditional rayed rising sun, then? Geoff 02:04, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

I look more carefully to the FOIB web-site and there's already the "traditional rayed sun" ensign. Perhaps this could be used afterall in Yamato only.--Pedromoderno 02:19, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

FOIB also shows the red disc as the flag of all Japan, not just Yamato. There's a lot of QAA material on there that has since been overridden; probably Nik would be the one to rule on it. Nik? Benkarnell 16:21, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Music.

Might genres like J-rock and visual quei *there* incorporate traditional Japanese instruments owing to a less westernised Japan? Juan Martin Velez Linares 10:07, 25 September 2015 (CDT)

I will say yes. K-Pop as well. BoArthur 08:55, 26 September 2015 (PDT)

Sailor Suits

In the absence of extensive westernization, did the sailor suit (based on uniforms for European/American seamen) and gakuran (based on Prussian army uniforms) gain widespread currency in Japanese schools *there*? I would hazard the guess that no. Juan Martin Velez Linares 18:28, 25 September 2015 (CDT)

One then wonders what they wear instead. BoArthur 16:35, 26 September 2015 (PDT)

I think they still exist in Ill Bethisad. I gather that in the 1940s, the schoolgirls would still mainly wear kimonos. However in the 1940s, they probably changed to *Here's* sailor uniform. I guess the history of boys school uniforms are still the same as *here*. Wait a minute: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimono https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakama The Japanese schoolgirls during the Meiji era *here* wear kimonos or hakamas. To gather what it looks like, check this picture, especially what the female student wears: http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/File:ShinouAcademyUniform.jpg So it's possible it could have survived as a uniform, but there was probably a reason why they switched to Western-style uniforms. --General tiu 08:32, 27 September 2015 (PDT)

Eh. From what I understand the kimono is still the main style of dress in Japan *there*. So I think the hakama-over-kimono uniform that was standard up until the 20s *here* would probably still be used there. Maybe Mlle. Taylor and M. Hicken could provide input on this. So much for Nauta Moon then... Better get my thinking cap on to dream up a replacement! Juan Martin Velez Linares 14:55, 27 September 2015 (CDT)

I think there's a growing cross-pollination since Louisianne and Japan started getting cozy. I shall have to ruminate. BoArthur 08:31, 22 September 2016 (PDT)

Largest City

Would it be Quioto or Edo? From what I understand Quioto retained much more of its importance, so perhaps it's the bigger city. But perhaps Edo is the larger, busier, and more unruly sister to prim and proper Quioto (think New Amsterdam vs. Philadelphia)? Or is it neither of them and Osaca takes its place as the largest city in Yamato? Juan Martin Velez Linares 10:15, 21 October 2015 (CDT)

Quiòto would be larger, as it is capital of Yamato AND the Empire, but Edo would be a close second due to the port, etc. BoArthur 10:13, 22 October 2015 (PDT)

Actually, unless you're referring to the "Queihanxin" metro area (which *there* is probably called something like the Imperial Capital Region), Edo/Tokyo would be the largest city--even if you remove the seceded wards, Edo still has a population of upwards of 4 million, making it the largest city in Japan hands-down. Admittedly, that's just the city proper; I can't say for sure on the metropolitan area, but if it's anything like *here* then Greater Edo is almost certainly the largest city in Yamato and, depending on the population of Greater Kieñseñ (30 million seems a little high to me, but then again this could have something to do with the fact that the Korean Peninsula has generally fared better *there* than *here*--no Korean War, no DMZ, etc.), perhaps even the biggest in the empire. Juan Martin Velez Linares 14:34, 13/9/2016 (EDT)

Kieñseñ's population is extrapolated from the fact that there was no Korean war, *there*, and the fact that *here* Seoul is a massive city, and continues to grow, because everyone wants to live close to there, given its center-role in industry, entertainment, and so on. It's like the LA or NYC of Corea, and the Washington DC to boot. Without the constant threat of rockets that deters people *here* from moving in, I think 30 million isn't at all unreasonable. The Seoul Capital Area has a population of 24 million (as of 2012), *here*, and that's WITH random North Korean rockets blasting in now and again. (for reference.)

As for Yamato, (strike what I said above), given that it followed a different growth pattern, because butterflies*, and the choice of Quiòto as capital instead of Edo (Tokyo) following the Civil War, I don't know that Edo would be that large of a city. I think we'd see a lot more settlement in Osaca and Nagoia, with people gathering there, closer to the capital. Edo would still be a shipping center, and large, as shipping centers go, but I don't think that Edo would eclipse Osaca or Nagoia, which are MUCH closer to the Capital.

I'd even suggest that humble Obama (小浜市) would be a much larger city, given the large amounts of trade that are going to happen *there* across the Sea of Japan, between Corea and the Primorye Condominium. BoArthur 11:15, 15 September 2016 (PDT)

Well, Edo is also an important economic centre in and of itself--as you (or Nik? IDK) said, many businesses returned there post-Civil War, and many had never left. From what I understand, Nagoya never has really managed to outcompete either the Keihanshin or Greater Tokyo *here*--I think that pattern would hold steady there. (Poor Nagoya--it's always doomed to play second fiddle.) Osaca, though... That's a tricky one. One thing that works in the favour of both cities is there never was the Great American Firebombing Campaign (something which wrecked BOTH cities pretty badly), so population in both is likely to be higher than it is *here*, inasmuch as cities proper. One thing that works in Osaca's--and the Queihanxin's--favour is the fact that Yocohama (am I spelling it right?) probably never overtook Osaca--though it probably isn't by any means a small city, it almost certainly isn't a metropolis of 3.7 million people. So perhaps we could switch Osaca's and Yocohama's populations--which would be a boost of about 1.3 million to the Queihanxin and a corresponding decrease for Greater Edo. Honestly, perhaps the best course of action is to make Edo the largest city proper--but make the Queihanxin the largest urban area. I'm pretty sure that has precedent *here*--after all, Shanghai is bigger than Tokyo, but Tokyo has the larger metro area. (I know, I know, different countries, but still.)

Obama??!? Um, no. I think it's Niigata or Nagasaqui you're looking for. Obama is a little... small. (Also, it shares a name with a certain president *here*, which is... awkward.) Juan Martin Velez Linares 13:11 16/9/2016 (EDT)

Obama-xi, *there* is larger, due simply to proximity to the capital. Having the capital at Quiòto will change growth patterns. Yes, Edo may remain an important city, but with the capital in Quiòto -- industry and shipping would cater to growing populations, and people want to be near the capital. Look at East Asian Capitals *here*:

1. Tokyo, Japan 37.8 million people

2. Jakarta, Indonesia 30.5 million people

3. Delhi, India 25.0 million people

4. Karachi, Pakistan 24.3 million people

5. Manila, Philippines 24.1 million people

6. Seoul, South Korea 23.5 million people

7. Shanghai, China 23.4 million people

8. Beijing, China 21.1 million people

9. Guangzhou, China 20.6 million people

10. Osaka, Japan 19.3 million people

Out of this list, 3 of the ten aren't capital cities. But the rest of them are. The pattern in Asia *here* is conflux toward the capital cities. QAA, it must be *there*, too. That means that the cities around Quiòto will not be like the cities around Kyoto.

Given its closeness, and its growing status, I'll state that Obama-xi changed its name to Nara-obamaxi 奈良小浜市 - Nara of the Little Beach On the Sea -- and became a port city, not to rival the size of nearby Osaca (and Nagoya), but certainly a thriving trade center with all the incoming trade from Corea, allowing for quick connection to the Capital.

The cities you suggested are much too far away from Quiòto. BoArthur 16:11, 16 September 2016 (PDT)

I see your suggestion of Obama and raise you Maizuru. It's on the sea, it's decently larger than Obama (i.e. greater than 50,000), and unlike Obama, it's conveniently located in the Queihanxin region. Plus, it has a history as a military port. I still don't think a city like Maizuru could ever reach the size of Edo or even Nagoya--keep in mind that the port city of Yokohama *here* was already formidable in size by the 1920s, something which never happened to Obama or Maizuru--I definitely think it could grow to the size of, say, *here*'s Nagasaki or even Niigata.

Four out of the ten cities--Karachi hasn't been the captial of Pakistan since 1960, but it's still kept a steadily high growth rate. I'd argue the key here isn't so much capital cities as port cities--out of the four cities on the list which aren't capitals, all of them are port cities. In addition, Jakarta and Seoul both have a long history as their respective capitals and have access to ports--Jakarta proper and Incheon, respectively. The only city to be both the capital AND largest city of its respective country without any sort of port access is Delhi. IMO the closest analogue to Edo's situation would be Karachi--Edo was the capital from the beginning of the Tocugawa Xogunate to 1945, and it's a port city. That being said, ultimately it comes down to whether or not the combined weight of Osaca and Maizuru increasing the population of the Queihanxin, and how much that growth would have been siphoned off from Greater Edo. Mind you, even the separated wards would still form a continuous metropolitan/urban area with Edo proper.

I guess part of the reason I like the idea of Edo being bigger is that it creates a sort of serendipity--as I said, an NA vs. Philadelphia kind of situation. But I'm not picky. If Osaca and the Queihanxin come out bigger, Osaca and the Queihanxin it is. Juan Martin Velez Linares 15:11 18/9/2016 (EDT)

Actually, yeah, probably Osaca is the biggest city. I think Edo would be a close second, though. Juan Martin Velez Linares 23:41 19/9/2016 (EDT)

The only concern I have with Maizuru is its rather small bay. Perhaps the two cities, Obama and Maizuru have grown together over the years? Growing together with Tacahama over the years? Some thoughts, anyway. I will conceded Maizuru because it is less hemmed in with mountains than Obama. BoArthur 08:44, 21 September 2016 (PDT)