Talk:European Federation

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Wouldn't Grand Fenwick and Saugeais be members of the EF? Sectori 16:39, 16 September 2007 (PDT)

Grand Fenwick doesn't appear to be. I'm not sure how independent Saugeais is. I'm sure all its externals (defence, foreign policy, etc) are taken care of by Paris. Elemtilas 17:31, 16 September 2007 (PDT)
Saugeais I'm not sure about, but given that both of the countries that surround it are, I thought it might be a reasonable guess. Such tiny countries often get ignored. Sectori 17:46, 16 September 2007 (PDT)
Seeing as how I now have control of Grand Fenwick, I am free to say that Grand fenwick is not part of the European Federation for the simple fact that it prefers it's traditional currency, the "Fenwickian Pound." I do believe that it most likely has trade agreements with Helvetia and France. [User:Seth|Seth]] 01:21 17 September 2007
You certainly are free to say that! All the more because it's been a member of the Commonwealth of Nations since long sine! ;) That's part of the country's set of basic facts. Its trade agreements are up to you, but I would suspect that it does have good relations with its neighbours. Elemtilas 07:52, 17 September 2007 (PDT)


May we please add Greece to the list now? Misterxeight 03:49, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Why? Elemtilas 01:32, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

What do you mean, that's too general of a question. Misterxeight 02:06, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

From what I've seen, Greece some years back decided to put its currency on a 1:1 ratio to the EurFed currency, but did not pursue membership. Benkarnell 02:07, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

That was the old king, the new emperor on the other hand knows it's neccessary. Misterxeight 20:28, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

OK: remember that that will be a long process. As caretaker of Greece, feel free to start a news cycle saying the emperor wants to pursue membership. Probably the process will take years: look at the EU membership process *here*. And even before that, Constantine will have to get the Government of Greece to go along with it. So basically: definitely not a bad idea, definitely not improbable, but definitely something that takes time. Benkarnell 20:31, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
Actually, the EF have always wanted for Greece to join. It's not enough just to issue coins to the same standard -- after all, while Greek coins are generally accepted on par, Greek currency in general is not, and trades at a discount. But as Mr exATE says, previous governments -- not just the last king! -- have done various things to ensure that Greece can not join. From outright refusal of the initial invitation to driving the country's economy into the toilet. When the king announced his plan during the speech he gave announcing his plan to build a jolly big casino in Greece, Brussels was naturally quite pleased at the proposed turns in Greek econonomic plans.
Of course, it ain't going to happen next week. Perhaps in five years, Greece's performance compared with EF standards will earn it the right to petition entrance to the club. Then it's mostly a matter of conforming its banking systems, treasury directorate and the like to the European standard, and then it will be able issue EF/Greek drachmas to spec the way the other countries in the system do. If all goes according to plan, expect the withdrawal of current Greek money and exchange for new to take place in early 2015 or thereabouts.
On the other hand, things could go haywire and Greece could wind up tanking again. Hopefully this will not be the case! Elemtilas 04:18, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
As Greece strengthens and builds increasingly strong relations with other nations, it is likely to be seen as entering something like a Silver Age. Zahir 06:16, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
Quite possibly. Considering it's starting place, most of the places it has to go are "up"! Elemtilas 17:33, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

If I keep to the script laid out by everyone else

We're not laying out a script for you to follow. You chose to have a go at working with us in this project. The place you've chosen to work on is not a blank slate for you to do with as you please -- it has some known history and some assumed history already in place for you to work with.

and not even think about the word territory for years to come, will Greece turn out okay?

Who knows? Greece has a shaky history (economically as well as politically). Countries with shaky histories don't generally turn into shining examples of stellar success.

Plus would it be possible in years to come, for Greece to be the equivalent of *here*'s Dubai? Misterxeight 15:55, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

No. Dubai's wealth is built on having something everyone needs and is willing to pay dearly for it, up to and including fighting horrible wars over it. Greece doesn't really have anything that everyone is willing to pay dearly for.
That said, Greece does have some assets in its favour: it is a transshipment node, and so its port facilities are revenue generators; its gets some revenue from the Black Sea trade (shared with Turkey); it's a tourist hotspot; and if the casino is a success, that will enhance the latter (don't expect it to suck in 100% of the worldwide gambling business -- it will be hot for a year or two, then will settle down as people return to their old faves and the novelty of the Monoliths wears off). It will remain to be seen whether the present government can solve Greece's problems or whether they will become part of the problem. Elemtilas 17:33, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
Hey, don't forget: this is more like writing a story than playing a game. The goal's not to "win" by having your territory turn out better; it's to simply be interesting. I frankly liked the plot line where a bunch of Imperialists come to power in Greece and make everybody nervous. What's your goal here: a Greek regime that is more belligerent, or one that is more wise? Benkarnell 16:07, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

By far more wise. I've given up the militant idea months ago. Like I said, territory won't even be mentioned for a long time. I'd say by now that everyone sees Greece joining the EU & making a huge casino, hydropower company, & hotel, the "Red Scare" is over. Misterxeight 16:12, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Just keep in mind that these are all rather long term projects. None of them will see any kind of results within the next five years. In the mean time, work on ways Greece can resolve its internal issues, and keep them realistic! Elemtilas 17:33, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
I think that Greece should be doing alright by now. (Maybe... Goddess knows whether or not Watergap's economic repercussions were anything like those of the 2008 financial crisis *here*...) As soon as any remaining political unrest is sorted out, and assuming Greece's economy isn't going the same way it was here, then I'd say EF accession is something that might be on the table for 2016. It certainly would be interesting to see Greece discussing joining, rather than leaving, the European currency union! (This alternate history sure is crazy...) Juan Martin Velez Linares 10:44, 19/2/2016 (CST)


Assuming the EF is more-or-less similar to the EU *here*, is there some sort of cross-border agreement for European countries and their territories? And which countries are a part of it? (Besides those of the currency union proper, that is.) Juan Martin Velez Linares 10:44, 19/2/2016 (CST)


Why isn't Portugal part of the EF? It would seem fairly reasonable to me that they be part of such an upstanding and culturally united organisation.Juan Martin Velez Linares 10:44, 19/2/2016 (CST)

Guess Portugal is more centered in the transoceanic-Atlantic relations (that means with the Brazilian states) than in continental European relations.--Pedromoderno 18:58, 19 February 2016 (PST)