Talk:Elba
Sorry for the edit conflict, Sectori/Italocarune, go ahead and edit to your heart's delight. :) And answer the question I left you on your talk page. :) BoArthur 14:46, 18 May 2006 (PDT)
- I got the same problem as with other micro-nations we've had in the past: It seem to miraculously avoid all invasions for over a thousand years.--Marc Pasquin 19:10, 18 May 2006 (PDT)
- Just did a check. Elba *here* is home to about 30,000 people. That strikes me as a much more accurate figure than 80+ thousand. Like Marc, I have real trouble with the idea that this island hasn't been conquered a whole bunch of times (like Rome). At the very least Elba strikes me as a vital spot from which to dominate trade between the Ligurian and Tyrrhenian Seas. Zahir 19:26, 18 May 2006 (PDT)
- I can tone down the population. I just went with what was previously written there. Elba was conquered by Rome. It was part of the Roman Empire and a Byzantine enclave. But as the history that was already written states, Elba was not conquered by Napoleon. I suppose it just wasn't worth it. Too much expenditure for too little gain. And I'm failing to see how Elba is a vital spot to dominate anything. A population of 30,000 isn't enough to dominate much of anything. Again, I'm just going with what was written. Sectori 13:18, 19 May 2006 (PDT)
- Final word: if you look here: http://ib.frath.net/w/index.php?title=Elba&diff=37702&oldid=500 , you can see that the history was there before I started editing. Just in case you didn't believe me. Sectori 13:21, 19 May 2006 (PDT)
- I can tone down the population. I just went with what was previously written there. Elba was conquered by Rome. It was part of the Roman Empire and a Byzantine enclave. But as the history that was already written states, Elba was not conquered by Napoleon. I suppose it just wasn't worth it. Too much expenditure for too little gain. And I'm failing to see how Elba is a vital spot to dominate anything. A population of 30,000 isn't enough to dominate much of anything. Again, I'm just going with what was written. Sectori 13:18, 19 May 2006 (PDT)
- Just did a check. Elba *here* is home to about 30,000 people. That strikes me as a much more accurate figure than 80+ thousand. Like Marc, I have real trouble with the idea that this island hasn't been conquered a whole bunch of times (like Rome). At the very least Elba strikes me as a vital spot from which to dominate trade between the Ligurian and Tyrrhenian Seas. Zahir 19:26, 18 May 2006 (PDT)
- I was referring to Elba's location. Having checked, I concede absolutely that you are merely building upon what is already there. My apologies for any intended criticism of you. However, I stand by my questions about the Elba article. Not being a conlanger I feel inadequate to offer any feedback on your work for Elbese/Elban, although I quietly cheer your efforts in such an intimidating task. Zahir 15:00, 19 May 2006 (PDT)
- We'll see what happens. There's some discussion of the fate of the Italian provinces in Lla Dafern. If, as it may, some of the data is removed, I may end up rewriting some of Elbic history, particularly the French conquest, so as to provide extra linguistic mingling. Sectori 15:27, 19 May 2006 (PDT)
- I was referring to Elba's location. Having checked, I concede absolutely that you are merely building upon what is already there. My apologies for any intended criticism of you. However, I stand by my questions about the Elba article. Not being a conlanger I feel inadequate to offer any feedback on your work for Elbese/Elban, although I quietly cheer your efforts in such an intimidating task. Zahir 15:00, 19 May 2006 (PDT)
- I never said it was you, all the same, it make no sense to me. If we're stuck with QSS though, Lets try to find something plausible as to why they were not invaded: religious shrine, reward for some past deeds (like san marino), tax heaven, etc... --Marc Pasquin 19:20, 12 June 2006 (PDT)
- Well, it doesn't neccessarily have to be a French invasion, but please can we have some invasions and conquests? Deiniol 06:59, 13 June 2006 (PDT)
Suggestion
I would suggest that the House of Appiani have its own page...More neatness, that way. BoArthur 10:30, 7 June 2006 (PDT)
- I agree. It would just be more neat and tidy that way. Seth 20:00, 7 June 2006
- For whatever it is worth, I also think that would be neater. There certainly seems material enough for such a thing! Zahir 08:17, 8 June 2006 (PDT)
- Will do. -- Sectori 18:41, 19 June 2006 (PDT)
Current Events
Unless there something seriously wrong with them (or if they have a dry sense of humour) I think the bit about not being sure if computer exist is pushing it a bit --Marc Pasquin 19:20, 12 June 2006 (PDT)
- Agreed. I'll take it out. It was mostly boredom. -- Sectori 18:39, 19 June 2006 (PDT)
- Note, however, that that kind of statement is typical of Elbic society. They're like the Montana of Italy. -- Sectori 18:50, 19 June 2006 (PDT)
A Thought on Invasion
What if Elba was occupied by the Celts in Pre-Roman times? That could explain the existance of the geminate and gorgic mutations in Elbic. Sectori 10:52, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
- That's a possiblity. Why don't you work a proposal on this idea and then post it here? :) BoArthur 11:21, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
- So I shall. Sectori 15:04, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
- I believe Rome was sacked several times by the Celts before it took Carthage. Elba could have been an outpost island, where the forces could be built up before charging in. Seth 00:29 1 August 2006
- Che perfette! Thanks for that. Perhaps it was also the last Celtic stronghold when the Romans were driving out the Celts. Sectori 20:15, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
- I believe Rome was sacked several times by the Celts before it took Carthage. Elba could have been an outpost island, where the forces could be built up before charging in. Seth 00:29 1 August 2006
- So I shall. Sectori 15:04, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
History
Something that might need to be fleshed a bit: both Carlo IV & Clémente III are said in the Elbic monarch page to have died fighting against Napoleon yet Elba was clearly never involved in the napoleonic wars (otherwise being "overlooked" becomes a bit more of a problem).
One possibility would be that Elba sided *with* Napoleon (but can still have died in battle). That way, Elba's independance can be explained by having Napoleon respecting and/or protecting his ally's sovereignty.--Marc Pasquin 11:55, 4 August 2006 (PDT)
- Perhaps Napolean established a puppet state on Elba, allowing him to have a base of operations near the Italian coast. He did establish several puppet states with family members as their head. perhaps he allowed the Appiani to rule as figurehead monarchs on Elba, and they payed alliegience to him? It is a possibility... Seth 23:35, 4 August 2006
- Grazi! Ise é hna bbuona idea.. I hadn't noticed the little conflict there. That also neatly explains away Elba's non-conquest by Napoleon. I'm sure the Appiani would be happy to rule for Napoleon as long as they continued to rule period. This also provides a nice opportunity for some mixing with French, allowing me to explain my -iss verbs. I'll write up something about it for my upcoming revised proposal of the history of Elba and Elbic. Sectori 08:25, 12 August 2006 (PDT)
