Talk:COPEN

As *here* oil prices *there* should going up and down. I sugest the higher oil prices should had happen during the Suez Crisis (1956), the war between Iraaq and Persia (1980-88), the Gulf War (1990) and the Basri Rebellion (1990's to 2003). I also sugest Al-Basra could be one of the COPEN member states so as Libya and probably The Thousand Emirates (as result of including *there* the UAE, Qatar, Bahrein and Oman, all territories with oil fields). Pedromoderno

It might also be noted that the oilfields of North America and Antarctica are not off limits *there*. Also, there is a higher reliance on electricity (for moving trains full of goods for example) cheaply generated especially by Tesla generators. I doubt that any oil "crisis" in the 1970s would be anything like *here*'s, if there was ever a crisis at all. Elemtilas 11:23, 28 May 2006 (PDT)

In fact Tesla generators might be a precious source of cheap energy. As it is said in Tesla Generators article these first appeared in the Balkans and only in 1958 started to be made outside, in Kemr. I doubt such hi tech devices would already be used worldwide during the 1970's so as I doubt in that time underdeveloped countries as arab ones would have already a wide use of Tesla generators. Pity it doesn't exists *here*, in a time some want to solve the energetic problem in my country (Portugal) with nuclear energy. About the oil crisis, that one in 1973 was a crisis in the oil producing countries as oil prices felt a lot and maintained low during the following years making them lose lots of profits. But as you say, perhaps the world *there* is not so dependeable to oil as *here*. So oil prices might not be too much important in nowadays world *there*. Pedromoderno

A couple of other factors to consider:

* Airships. Because the "lift" provided by airships in more-or-less static as opposed to active in airplanes, the widespread use of the former would mean less pretroleum use overall.

* Automobiles. With fewer cars on the road, pretroleum use again goes down.

* The less-pervasive power of the NAL as opposed to the USA. Here the United States used its superpower status to nudge, wheedle and in essence buy favorable conditions for American companies buying oil. The end results included much cheaper prices "at the pump" in the US than elsewhere in the world, with a correspondingly higher gas consumption and lower efficiency. That did not happen in IB, so gas prices in the NAL have probably been much closer to those in Europe. A side effect of that in turn might be a more stable Middle East in general, as the governments there had to survive without so much foreign aid, thus forcing them to deal with issues at home more consistently. Zahir 12:23, 28 May 2006 (PDT)

Oil may not be their lifeblood either. I do think the freeing up of Antarctic and North American resources would probably offset some of the higher cost of oil -- there's a lot of it around, after all! Elemtilas 20:21, 28 May 2006 (PDT)

All the above said, I'm sure that there were some countries that filled the role of oil guzzlers. BoArthur 07:23, 8 June 2006 (PDT)

I assume *there* the natural ressources are more or less like *here*. When I referred to Upper Nigervolta, on the Oil Crisis Hijra 1393, I was thinking about Nigeria *here* which is the eastern part of the Gold Coast *there*. Just a confusion between Nijeria state, in Upper Nigervolta (certainly is Niger *here*) and Nigeria *here*. So I replaced the Upper Nigervolta membership in COPEN by Gold Coast.--Pedromoderno 08:48, 10 January 2007 (PST)

Islamic Calendar

I changed the islamic date of the oil crisis based on the Gregorian-Hijri converter on this web-site: http://http://www.rabiah.com/convert/ This might be useful for everyone. Pedromoderno 8 June 2006

Organizational flag

Just an idea of what COPEN's flag could look like.

--Pedromoderno 16:17, 16 December 2013 (PST)

It seems to somewhat... over-emphasize that they deal with a nasty black liquid. How about a stylized oil pump? It is still better than the OPEC flag, though. Benkarnell 21:00, 5 January 2014 (PST)