Talk:North Slavic languages
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as a result of our yesterday ICQying with Pavel Iosad, I've created this page to discuss how to concert our efforts in IB north slavic langs construction. I suggest, we write here our current modus constructii and we can work on general scheme.
- nassian: separated from Proto-Slavic approx. in 4th - 5th cc EC (the state of divergence is the final stage of Early Proto-Slavic), influenced by Baltic and Finno-Ugric languages, isolated for cca 250 years from other Slavic langs. main tendencies are Slavic (progressive sonority, tendency to palatalisation), but realised in a different way. tendency to palatalisation is quite weak. main features: early deyodisation, non-existence of glides (and thus in later stages also of consonant v), vowel harmonisation, over-long vowels, long consonants, some agglutination. Jan II. 23:44, 18 April 2006 (PDT)
Nassian -- what's the current version of the pre-history? I. e. what region did the proto-Nassians come from?
- proto-Nassians are descendents of what I call Ilmenian people; tribes who moved little bit more earlier more nothern in IB. they separated from them before Proto-slavic reached its classical state as it is defined in Slavisitics (around 1st palatalisation). Jan II.
- Um, then looks like we actually have two different North Slavic groups. Also, was there a NW Russian dialect like the one *here*? That is, was Novgorod settled by Nassians or by East Slavs coming up later, like *here*? Pavel Iosad
- Novgorod/Nookortu was founded and settled by Nassians, it was part of Principality of Selograd (Settikortu) before split in 862. Then it was independent (or later semi-independent) and under Ivan III. 1478, it became part of Russian Empire. Jan II. 22:52, 27 April 2006 (PDT)
One thought just occurred to me: given the fact that Nassian split off so early from Slavic, wouldn't there at least be some linguists who don't consider it a Slavic language at all, but rather something like an independent third branch in a Balto-Nasso-Slavic family?
In any case, I think we can probably depropose this page as well. There's still quite some work to be done, but this is not really a matter of proposing and QSSifying, I'd say. —IJzeren Jan Uszkiełtu? 03:28, 28 August 2007 (PDT)
- i thought about it myself, to create separate "Balto-Slavic" or "Finno-Slavic" language group. and yes, in "real" IB, such a group of linguists will definitely appear and fight for the "uniqueness" of Nassian among Slavic languages ;)
- i agree also with deproposing it. Jan II. 23:26, 28 August 2007 (PDT)