Talk:Spartakijada

Wouldn't Hunan be more friendly to CSDS than Futainan? Futainan always seemed to me as quite capitalistic. At least Hunan was communist. Other countries which might had participated could be Egypt (during Gamal Abdel Nasser regime), Syria, Lybia and Iraaq (after 1958 as result of the communist friendly Abdul Karim Qassim regime).--Pedromoderno 00:06, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Hunan is on my list of competitors - but only for 1979, because as I understand the history written about it, there was a lot of shifting in political outlook in Hunan, whereas from Futainan's description I got the impression that, though capitalistic at a basic level, they were willing to associate with pretty much anyone. Thanks for the suggestions for the African and Middle Eastern countries - I wasn't sure which had any significant socialist or communist phase. Libya I could add, though I think only pre-Qaddafi; the CSDS and Libya were at daggers drawn throughout the 1980s (notably the Gulf of Sidra incident), so I would gather that Qaddafi himself wasn't well disposed to the CSDS. But overall, several new additions to the list of competitors, even if they didn't take part throughout the entire history of the games. Thank you! Dalmatinac 04:54, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't know if both Egypt and Syria would be communist friendly after 1961, when a coup deposed Shukri al-Kuwatli in Syria and Nasser stepped down from office in Egypt. Not much was written until now about the aftermath of the dissolution of the United Arab Republic. Perhaps both countries "divorced" but kept in a way or another a certain friendship to the CSDS.--Pedromoderno 13:23, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps they "grew apart" from the CSDS more slowly? (That way I don't have to redo the medal tables for 1964 <first year in which Egypt and Syria took part> through 1973 <the last year I've finished so far>; it's quite a boring and tiresome process). Perhaps both were thinking tactically, and decided to take a few years to establish strong contacts with other nations before completely divorcing themselves from a nation who'd been previously very supportive both militarily and economically? If you don't think that's plausible, I'll redo the tables, though! :) Dalmatinac 19:52, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Maybe both Syria and Egypt could remain CSDS-friendly after 1961. Perhaps even CSDS would have a good reason to keep a certain friendship with both even if communist-like regimes might be over due to their geographic position. Especially Egypt due to the Suez Canal. I believe the Canal would be rather important to CSDS for their sea trade and if Danubia wasn't an oil producer possibly they would import from the Arabian Gulf (beside from Gold Coast surely) as danubian relationship with Lybia become more and more difficult.--Pedromoderno 13:43, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

You raise a very valid point regarding Egypt - the Canal could indeed be quite important to the CSDS. As far as oil goes, Danubia does have some oil production, and purchased the large majority of Albania's oil exports. And there was Gold Coast as well, but certainly other sources would have been welcome as well. So the canal is one reason CSDS would still be interested in relations with Egypt - and if there was a threat, even if only a perceived threat - that Egypt might become friendly with the SNORist archenemy Russia, then definitely the CSDS would do everything to cultivate good relations with Egypt. Dalmatinac 16:11, 29 June 2010 (UTC)