Talk:Rygen

Well, first, the Slavic tribes living on Rügen were Ruyanian (slav. Rujanani, Ráni; rujati - to rut), Mecklenburg and Brandenburg were populated by Obodrits (Obodrite, Brodici; brodit - the wade) and Luticians (Lutici; luty - cruel) and Pommerania by Pommeranian Slovens (Pomorskije Slovinci) since ca 6th cc EC, when they claimed land abandoned by Germanic tribes going south-west.

Second, Boleslaw I Chrabry *here*, ie. Marek Pąpiej I Braw *there*, had defeated Preimarnian Slovens around year 995, conquering everything from Sztietin up to Gdansk. *Here* it was definitelly lost by his successor Mieszko II (only part from Slupsk to Gdansk remained in Polish hands), but we may assume, that *there* Marek I was pushed only from Lusatia and Bohemia, but Preimarn remained in his lands for a promise of Christianisation of these heathens, thus Wars II Lambert may start this holy task since 1025. He also may start to push Obodrits and Luticians in Mecklenburg and Brandenburg to Christianity and include these into his realm. First, this assumes that these Slavs will be either slightly Romanised or staying Slavs much longer than *here*, since Germanic way of Christianisation was much more brute, than what one can expect from Veneds. Let us assume, that in the beginning of 12th cc EC, during the reign of Marek III Krwobuskat Veneda fell into internal problems and had lost Preimarn them to HRE.

So, the last "fortress" of Slavs in the north-wast was rich and aggressive Rügen with capitol Arkona. Danes must be quite a pissed with Slavic "vikings", looting Danish ships from Nassland and Courland. So they seized Rügen and obeyed prince Yaromar in 1168 to accept the only God and Danish king as a sovereign. As it seems from Venedian history, Preimarn MUST already be at this time an Imperial fief. I would say, that Emperor was not happy to have Danes in an ante-room, so he tried to kick their ass, but lost the battle near to Greifswald. So in 1185, Preimarn became a Danish fief, and remained one until 1227, even though the Holy Roman Empire never gave up its claim to sovereignty. Then it goes as Kristian says.

Question: were the Slavs in these regions Germanised in the same extent as *here*? Jan II. 00:08, 16 December 2005 (PST)

Maybe we should incorporate what you have written above into the article itself. As for whether or not the Slavs were Germanized, I think they were, judging from the linguistic map of Jan I drew of the RTC. In Rygen, however, the Slavs were Scandinavianized *there*. Boreanesia 06:38, 15 February 2006 (PST)

OK, let the Slavs be Germanised then. Or, we may ask Jan I. for a contribution. Fine with the modification of the article, would you do it or could I? ;) Jan II. 07:47, 15 February 2006 (PST)

I have always assumed that the Polabians and the Slovincians faced more or less the same fate as *here*, but that is by no means written in stone. Since we also have the Slavic Kashubians, we do know for sure is that they did exist. The question remains, would they still exist? As far as I am concerned, if anyone can come up with a plausible explanation for why they would have survived, I definitely don't have a problem with that. No one has ever done much work regarding Preymeren, so it's all open. Keep in mind that my linguistic map of the RTC covers only the RTC, not Germany. —IJzeren Jan ^Uszkiełtu? 12:06, 15 February 2006 (PST)

Jan II, feel free to modify it accordingly.

Jan I, your map shows that there are Low Germans along the northern part of the RTC, so one can deduce that there would probably be even more Germans in Preymarn and Mecklenburg. Right?

Boreanesia 15:01, 15 February 2006 (PST)

Yes, that's true. But that should not necessarily exclude the existence of concentrations of Slavic-speaking people in those countries. In any case, I'm not going to postulate that they exist, and I'm not going to work on them. I'm merely saying that if somebody really wants them, I don't have any objection. —IJzeren Jan ^Uszkiełtu? 05:03, 16 February 2006 (PST)

Ook, Jan, we got the message; the work will be done by some-one else :D

I am interested to postulate still existing Polabian population in Mecklenburg and Pomerian Slovene one in Preymarn. I will try to do some research on them and if I see it plausible, I will go for them. Let us have some more weird Slavs, if we do not have Poles or Slovaks ;) Jan II. 06:25, 16 February 2006 (PST)

Cool! :) —IJzeren Jan ^Uszkiełtu? 06:35, 16 February 2006 (PST)