Talk:Pentapolis

What would be its name in Brithenig? --Sikulu 01:18, 16 November 2006 (PST)

Castre Georgy? --Quentin 01:29, 16 November 2006 (PST)

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NB: Need to find the names for the five cities that make up metropolitan Rome: 1. Georgetown, 2. Rome, 3. (?), 4. (?), 5. Anacostia.
NB: Probably should rename this article "Rome"! (and update links from Ter Mair)
NB: Work on the street map. Initial work done, borders of five municipalities devised.
Q: Should "P & C" really be "Potomack & Southern"???
NB: Penna Rwy. should come in southwards and parallel (and underground?) to the B & A -- Constantine Station is BIG! Certainly the match of that Vanderbilt's Grand Central train shed!
Q: What's that bit north of Rome and east of Georgetown? (Was that called "Shaw"??? -- but "Shaw" is no more.) A: Indeed, that is the "New Town" part of Georgetown.

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What's the correlation to DC *here*? BoArthur 15:44, 13 February 2008 (PST)

The streets of Pentapolis are largely laid out like *here*'s DC -- the eastern or new portion of Georgetown was laid out by famed Mason and patriot George Washington and New French (assistant something-or-other) to the ambassador Pierre L'Enfant, who was a keen engineer and designer. The main difference is that where the Mall is *here*, *there* they have a posh waterfront, overlooked by the manor house and estate of some nob or other.

The correlation of *here*'s DC is naturally *there*'s Philadelphia. So, all the government buildings are there. I don't know how or even if its street layout differs from *here*. It may be that Philadelphia looks a bit different than it does *here*. We do know that somewhere around the capitol beltway, there is a sweeping S-curve that affords stunning views of the six-gold-spired, marble encased Mormon Temple. A lovely piece of architecture, sometimes called the fairy castle or the castle of Oz, that was transplanted from DC to Philly.

Elemtilas 18:38, 13 February 2008 (PST)

Let me rephrase a tad. You've named a number of burroughs. How do those correlate to the subdivisions of DC? Georgetown and Anacostia are obvious, but the others? Does it spread across the river into Virginia? Is there an equivalent to Crystal City, Alexandria? BoArthur 08:03, 14 February 2008 (PST)

OK! I understand now! If you have a DC map handy... The western boundary of Palisades is the Chain Bridge Road (doesn't exist *here*, but lies in the vicinity of Macomb St NW. The Chain Bridge *there* is rather higher than its counterpart *here*, so it comes out at about the same level as MacArthur Blvd (*there*'s King Street). The boundary between Palisades and Georgetown is at 44th St -- there's a big park there. Georgetown's boundary with Rome follows Constitution Av (which *there* is a broad waterfront avenue, mirrored by another at Independence Av) up to Third St, where it turns left. Goes up to D St (NW) and turns right. D St. *there* is a broad avenue that leads to Constantine Station (between 11th and 16th Streets) and the stacked rail approaches don't reach the Tunnels until 1st St. NE. The border continues east along D St. to North Capitol St, where it turns left. It crosses Mass Av. and there the two split apart: Georgetown's border follows a creek that is *here* buried under Union Station, meanders up to Florida Av. and heads back westwards. Rome's border crosses Mass Av and meanders to the northeast along another creek until you get to I and Second St NE; it then follows I St. to 8th St., turns right and goes down to G St. then turns eastward to 15th St. Turn right on 15th and go back down to D St (NE). From there, it forms a common border with Anacostia, angling to the SW. At 13th and Mass Av, it goes down 13th St to C St SE. From there, the road grid differs considerably between *here* and *there*, as *here*, they've done a lot of Urban Renewal in SE, destroying a lot of old neighbourhoods and streets. Second St SE marks the western boundary of Anacostia -- it does cross the Eastern Branch (Anacostia River), and so also occupies area that is truly *here*'s Anacostia. Carroll's City is what is *here* and *now* Ft. McNair and Buzzard Point. *Here*, this whole area used to be a small town which was utterly razed and the streets realigned. *There*'s streets reflect the historical layout of *here*. Second St. south of I St SE (the boundary between Carroll's City and Anacostia) is a grand canal. From 2nd and I, the grand canal cuts to the northwest; and somewhere in the vicinity of the tangled intersection of I-395, South Capitol St, Virginia Avenue and the Railroad, the grand canal heads to the southwest. *Here*'s Canal St. SW follows the old route of this canal, and the boundary between Carroll's City and Rome follows this canal on down to P St. SW (the northern limit of Fort McNair) and goes over to what is *here* the Washington Channel which doesn't exist *there*. Haven't yet worked out the northern limits of Pentapolis yet, but probably will be nowhere near the extent of DC itself!

Palisades therefore corresponds to Palisades; Georgetown corresponds to Georgetown, DuPont, Adams Morgan, Shaw, and Chinatown. Rome corresponds to L'Enfant, the Waterfront, Capitol Hill, and Lincoln Park. Anacostia corresponds to Anacostia, RFK, DC General, the Navy Yards. Carroll's City corresponds to Fort McNair and Buzzard Point.

Pentapolis doesn't extend into Virginia: that's a foreign country (as much *there* as it is *here*!). Rosslyn and Crystal City, Pentagon City, Arlington, Fort Myers, National Airport -- none of that exists *there*. Alexandria encompasses *here*'s Crystal City. There is *something* in the vicinity of Roslyn; after all, PRs 50, 66, 29 and 1 all converge in a huge intersection before crossing into Georgetown over huge bridges along with trams, a railway and the Georgetown and Alexandria Canal.

How's that?

Elemtilas 15:37, 14 February 2008 (PST)

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I have a few questions. Firstly, why is the eastern boundary of Georgetown much further east? Here it always was the Rock Creek, and because the Rock creek *here* is surrounded by no building, that makes a lot of sense.

Ineed, that was the "first" eastern boundary. The City of Georgetown acquired that land from various land-owners (at the time, it was mostly farms and the like). Some of it was bought from the same family that owns Rome; some was bought from other owners. In the early xix centry, Georgetown bought up the last bits of land, forming the boundary with Rome itself, and promptly worked out a deal with the B&A Railway to build Constantine Station in Georgetown. I think that a number of people had moved to the area in part because some Government departments were being located in the area and also because of growth in local manufacturing.

Also, *here* Georgetown has smaller blocks than DC.

The Great Grid of Pentapolis is the same (or roughly the same) as the diagonal streets of DC, and a few of the uprights are the same; otherwise, there are considerable differences. The grid of *there*'s Georgetown also has its happy warren of alleys, closes and courts just like it does *here*.

Secondly, did the Georgetown street renaming never happen?

If you mean "is there an M Street?", then no, there was no renaming. I only used the DC names because I don't have much data on street names from *there*. We know that MacArthur Boulevard is the King Street and Wisconsin Ave. is the High Street. Water Street is down along the waterfront.

Thirdly, is the government in "Pentapolis" like New York with boroughs or are these all just independent municipalities in a metro area known merely for regional development and slang?

That I haven't decided, though would lean towards something like NYC. Would welcome input on the matter, though. Pros and Cons kind of thing. I also don't know *when* the Pentapolis actually came to be, though would suspect sometime in the late xix century or early xx.

And finally, are trams the main form of public transport, or is there a metro? --Quentin 23:38, 15 February 2008 (PST)

There is no subway. Trams are indeed the main form of public transport, though there are also jitneys and in some areas motorised rickshaw-like contrivances. Some of the tram lines are elevated (like Chicago); and some portions are underground. Mostly, they're at street level, though. I would say that the tram grid is, by now, rather fuller than than the old DC Transit lines.

I would suspect, however, that the trams are by now encompassed by some kind of regional Transport Authority.

Quite a lot of the mainline trackage of the big railroads is underground, particularly when they pass through Rome. Or rather, the tracks are at ground level; but roads and buildings have been built over top of them over the last century! Elemtilas 10:26, 16 February 2008 (PST)

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Abdul Aziz said: "Information that it is in the NAL as the first name "Rome" makes it seem that it is about the metro area of Rome in Papal States initially." That is why I decided to clarify the name and settle on Pentapolis, rather than Rome, which is one of the constituent burroughs. Elemtilas 15:40, 14 February 2008 (PST)

I understand. This sentence was a comment to my edit where I have added "in the North American League" at the start of the article so it would be clear immidietly where Pentapolis is. Abdul-aziz 17:14, 14 February 2008 (PST)

In the end, it will probably make more sense to locate Pentapolis as a city of Ter Mair, rather than of the much larger NAL! Elemtilas 19:13, 14 February 2008 (PST)

And thank you for altering that! Elemtilas 10:26, 16 February 2008 (PST)