Talk:Music

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Ah, yes -- that was superceded by Kemr -- scroll down a bit for "Music". Elemtilas

Are euphoniums standard orchestral instruments *there*? Juan Martin Velez Linares 9:46, 10 September 2015 (CDT)

Meh, why not. And glockenspiels. BoArthur 14:05, 13 November 2015 (PST)

They are. Along with tubas, ophicleids and trombones (tenor and bass). That's your basic low brass section. What keys the euphoniums and tubas are in is a function of the regional / national tradition, as *here* (the only difference I'd expect is that the NAL will generally follow British trends and traditions of instrumentation; Louisianne and New Francy will likely follow French models of orchestration).

Usually the ophicleide & euphonium players are "doublers", meaning that when a composer calls for one instrument or the other, they'll play that instrument. If the composer calls for a split (the tonal colours are quite different, after all), they'll divide accordingly. And of course, you'll also find very many tubists & euphoniumists that double on basstuba a/o saxhorn. The "period instrument" movement is every bit as strong *there* (and perhaps a little more robust even than *here* -- you rarely hear period performances of 19th century music here using such brass instruments outside of (US) Civil War reenacting bands), so concerts & recordings of early 19th century music are done very much in the vein of recordings of 17th and 18th century period instrument work.

If I may ask, why the interest in euphoniums? Are you a euphoniumist by any chance? Elemtilas 14:50, 13 November 2015 (PST)

Haha, no, actually. I'm just a huge instrument nerd. I'm a keyboardist myself, and I just picked up guitar and bass as well! I'd like to imagine my transdimensional counterpart plays violin, too (an instrument which I myself would like to learn someday). Add perhaps learning drums/percussion in the future and working on my rudimentary recorder skills, and that's a whole rock band--and then some! Juan Martín Vélez Linares 23:54, 13 Nov 2015 (CDT)

Well, that makes two of us -- instrument nerds! Speaking of the recorder, that is another instrument family that is almost certainly still a standard orchestral instrument. Probably all Boehmed-up and so forth. I have long held the notion that (classically oriented) composers came eventually to understand and appreciate the tonal palettes available to them via transverse flute vs. block flute (and keyed brass vs. valved brass). Getting back to the euphonium, I am not certain who gets the credit *there* for inventing the valved instruments. Perhaps it wasn't Weiprecht and Moritz. Maybe Sarrus beat Saxe at his own game? Elemtilas 19:46, 17 November 2015 (PST)

Is that so? Why exactly do you get this notion? Differing tastes from *here*, or simple musical conservatism, perhaps?

Could be a number of things. Very often it was simply the case of whoever hawked his wares the loudest got the glory. Sax was certainly involved in a number of lawsuits. Perhaps he wasn't as lucky *there*? Perhaps someone else stole his idea and had better connections with those in charge of the military bands.

As for different tastes, that is entirely possible. Broad bored tubas and euphoniums may not be normative; perhaps the narrower saxhorn type is more usual. I don't know what a usual orchestra consists of *there*, whether it grew to huge proportions as it did *here*.

IMO keyless recorders work just fine,

Sure. So do simple system flutes and curtals! I think the main problem with the recorder (vs. any kind of transverse flute) was one of dynamic range. If the recorder had undergone similar 'improvements' that the bassoon, clarinet, flute and oboe underwent, then we might well end up with some kind of Boehm-esque recorder alongside the transverse flute.

although probably if recorders survived into the 19th century they would have been subjected to the inevitable trend of keyed woodwinds. Perhaps the keyed (and at one point Boehm-ised) flageolet might work as well, though I don't know if it's an overly English/French instrument to gain acceptance in Italy, the HRE, and the Austro-Hungarian Empire (those areas being of course the main centres of classical music in Europe *here* and presumably *there* as well).

As far as A-H goes, there was already a native tradition of keyed recorder type instruments by the name of csakan. Perhaps some competition for the would-be recorder improvers!

As for valved brass instruments, Wieprecht and Moritz didn't so much invent the valved brass instrument as they perfected and popularised the piston valve, but perhaps someone else stepped in and did those good men's work?

Or beat them to the punch! People think the music industry in the 21st century is tough -- they don't know half the shennanigans those guys 200 years ago got up to!

And as for the sarrusophone, Sarrus DID in fact beat Sax at his own game--it just turned out concertmasters didn't like the sound of his instrument much! Perhaps *there* it did gain wide acceptance in concert bands, and it became a standard component of wind/concert orchestras--though it's probably not a marching instrument. (After all, it's not very fun to go out marching only to get whacked in the face with a double reed!) Juan Martin Velez Linares 13:52, 18 Nov 2015 (CDT)

I doubt it would, and for the same reasons as *here* -- finicky reeds and delicate keywork v. nearly indestructible mouthpiece and sturdy pistons. I guess I should have been clearer -- perhaps Sarrus (or some other maker) beat Sax at the saxhorn game! Got his own "invention" in first! A/o beat Sax in court during one of the inevitable legal squabbles... Elemtilas 16:00, 19 November 2015 (PST)

Beyonce is Louisiana Creole though... That's kind of what I was going for. I understand if you don't think it possible otherwise, though! Juan Martín Vélez Linares 15:59, 13 Nov 2015(CDT)

Hmm... Well, the Cajuns don't exist *there*. The Biloxiens do, however. Let's change her name, then to be ... 'Bondacie (apostrophe important.) BoArthur 14:04, 13 November 2015 (PST)

Ça plane pour moi! Juan Martín Vélez Linares 16:09, 13 Nov 2015(CDT)

How do people listen to music in Ill Bethisad?

I've just been recently curious about this since I have been learning about all the ways that exist *here* to listen to music: vinyl, cassettes, cd's, mp3's, and online streaming to name some. Do you guys have any ideas on how people *there* listen to music? Do they have home or portable systems that they prefer or do they just prefer to attend live shows? Ok, so after writing the previous statements I read the article titled Video Disks and from that I guessed that the preferred method of playing music *there* would essentially be from an LP on a record player. But then the article Video Games mentions the recent invention *there* of compact discs. What do you guys think? Vinyl or CD's? Gwaell 14:21, 24 December 2018

I'm sure, like *here*, newer formats replace the older ones although both CD's and VD's could cohexist *there*, like cassettes cohexisted to vinyl and (during some time) CD's *here*. *Here* each generation had its own format: vinyl for my parents' generation, CD's and cassettes for my generation and mp3 and streaming for my kids' generation, for example. If same happens *there* being both VD's and CD's inventions not too distant from each other in terms of time (or at least evolving at same time) there's a good chance of cohexisting, targeting same generation. Perhaps CD's are more used for video games and portable music reproduction devices (think about walkman sort of thing) while VD's are more used to less portable devices for reproduction of movies and music. Possibly VD killed the vinyl star, so vinyl glory days possibly might had end between late 1990's to early 2000's.--Pedromoderno 19:30, 25 December 2018 (PST)

Certainly music listeners like to go to live shows *there*, but I believe people also have home and portable music (and movie) reproduction devices. So it wouldn't be much different from *here* apart, maybe, from formats.--Pedromoderno 17:49, 29 December 2018 (PST)

I would assume that like many other aspects of IB, you probably have (and had) a greater number of formats, the most popular one depending on where you are. Not all of them would be based on completely different technologies (as in vinyl vs magnetic tape) but may simply be different standard playback speed or size and shape of media.

One personnal favourite for alternative medias would be the tape based tefifon [2] --Marc pasquin 22:30, 3 January 2019 (PST)