Talk:Moldova

Map making

Don't forget, Odesa is part of Moldova too! Which is larger, Chisinau or Odesa?

Odesa is actually bigger, so if it also part of Moldova it should be listed as the biggest city. Judging from the maps I have seen, I have been a bit confused wheather Odesa is within Moldova or not. Thank you for making it clear to me! Probably the actualy border is then slightly more to the east than I had assumed. Does there exist any presise maps, by the way? I have actually started just for fun to make a map of the Romanian Federation with a bit more detail including the administrate division (the counties) of each of the three countries.

The most detailed map of the Romanias that there is is the small map of the Balkans that I made. I look forward to seeing the new maps!! Apropos. Moldova's border is pretty much the same as *here*, but sweeps out eastwards to enclose Odesa.

Ok! The Balkan map was actually the one I have used as a basis to establish the positions of the borders on my map! So then I will modify it so that the eastern border with Ukraine will run slighty more to the east around Odesa! By the way, when I am finished with my map, is there some way I can post it for display? I'm just all new to this, but already addicted! --RoMex 13:59, 3 December 2005 (PST)

This is Zahir. I thought it was QSS that Moldava was a Kingdom? 69.224.169.57 11:39, 8 December 2005 (PST)

That's what I thought too! What is going on here? RoMex 16:30, 8 December 2005 (PST)

I set the Balkans up, and yeah: Regatul Moldovean - it's a kingdom. (Dalmatinac)

This is the work of an anonymous user, obviously with the purpose of having female leaders in several countries. See User talk:195.93.21.7. I wouldn't qualify him/her as a vandal or a troll (yet), but he/she is obviously not very communicative about his/her identity and plans. Some of these contributions are harmless and even useful though, but not in this case. Feel free to revert these edits, or to use some of the new material at will. --IJzeren Jan 16:51, 8 December 2005 (PST)

Someone has been coming in and making anonymous edits. For the most part, they seem harmless enough--just female leaders stuck in here and there. No big deal. But this person refuses to communicate with us in any other way, which is at the very least rude and possibly suspicious. Now they've gone and altered QSS which is simply not permitted. Zahir 16:53, 8 December 2005 (PST)

Comments from page

I moved these comments from the article to here.

I can also see Basarabia being given to the Hungarians at Brest. This would probably lead to the Moldovans rebelling against what they (probably correctly) see to be a weaker oppressor and win independence.

If Ukraine is very weak, I don't see why Moldova would antagonise anyone in Russia by fighting them at Ukraine's side. For my part I think the Moldovans saw the situation as either the Whites or the Reds will win and conquer Ukraine, and if they don't act now, they'll lose Odessa. And that might win them a point or two with the Russians - hey look we helped you too! Though on the long term it might add tension to the relations between Ukraine and Moldova...

Cyrillic letters

When writing the names of counties and towns in cyrillic script I have used a proposed alphabet for writing Romanian in cyrillic letters that basically is a combination of the cyrillic alphabet used before in Moldavian SSR *here* and the cyrillic alphabet used in Romania before 1860 *here* with the idea of an alphabet representing the letters/phonems of Romanian language (*here*) in a straighforward way. I do not however know how well this would go along with the Romanian language *there* that is under development.

The proposed alphabet would be like this:

(cyrillic - latin)

• а - a
• б - b
• в - v
• г - g, gh (gh used before i or e, g)
• д - d
• е - e
• ж - j
• дж or alternatively ӂ - g (before i and e)
• з - z
• i - i
• к - c, ch (ch before i and e, c elsewhere)
• л - l
• м - m
• н - n
• о - o
• п - p
• р - r
• с - s
• т - t
• у - u
• ф - f
• х - h
• ц - ţ
• ч - c (before i and e)
• ш - ş
• ы - â, î (â in middle of word, î at beginning and end of word)
• ь - i (at end of word)
• ъ - ă

Flags?

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  i. Moldovan Army

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  ii. Snorist Moldovan Flag

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  iii. proposed new Moldovan flag

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  1. another Moldovan proposal

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  2. and another, with my own Snor-bull

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  3. one more with a gray bull

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  4. with a golden bull

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  5. with different crosses

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  5a. variation with bright colors

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  5b. another variation

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  5c. this one includes that long base to the cross that I like in Marc's

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  5d. based on Jan's suggestion

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  5e. in darker colors, with a white head and golden cross

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  6.

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  8.

Richard and I have been comparing notes and stuff about Moldova and something that puzzles me are these flags. They are on the Flags of Il Bethesad website. Exactly what is the idea behind them? This looks to me like a version of Ukraine's falcon which would be pretty insulting in some ways, and kinda pointlessly so. Not that the SNOR were particularly diplomatic, but in the Moldova history we were rather assuming the Snorists kept the old monarchy as figureheads. Why stir up trouble without good reason? Towards that end, I was suggesting perhaps this other flag, with the suggestion of retaining some sense of common identity with Russia and its empire while retaining the illusion of independence. Then again, I like designing flags. <g> Zahir 20:23, 4 April 2006 (PDT)

I dunno. I have a feeling that both beasts at a time is a little much. On the other hand, I quite like #1. But, if you want to preserve some local flavour, we might as well do away with the bird and try our hands on a stylised bull instead. What do you think? —IJzeren Jan ^Uszkiełtu? 02:11, 5 April 2006 (PDT)

*clapping hands in creative glee* I like the idea of a stylized bull, and knowing Zahir's vexillogical skills, I can't wait to see what he comes up with, if he chooses to do so... BoArthur 09:13, 5 April 2006 (PDT)

Immediately after posting the above, the power on my block cut out. This city simply isn't designed for large amounts of water coming out of the sky. Still wasn't back when I left for work this morning. As soon as it does get back, I'll start working on a stylized bull. Zahir 13:11, 5 April 2006 (PDT)

Couldn't resist, 3 proposal for the SNORist backed regime of moldova. I could be mistaken by I seem to remember someone mentioning that the moldovan were not orthodox so I have used a latin cross instead. Although never used by moldova *here* (as far as I know), livery colours flags (like number one) are one of the most common design historicaly in europe. The wolves teeth fringe on # 3 are common to that part of europe. --Marc Pasquin 19:16, 5 April 2006 (PDT)

I'm lazy. Used Marc's as a template, but with an orthodox cross. I thought it Moldova was orthodox. Zahir 20:56, 5 April 2006 (PDT)

I quite like #5 (now 2). It sort of reminds me of the SNORist flag of Estonia. Since Romania isn't Slavic (or even have a majority Slavic population) I'd think the eagle either wouldn't feature at all, or just be in the canton. P.S. *here*, Romainia is an Orthodox country (not sure about Transylvania though). --Sikulu 06:34, 6 April 2006 (PDT)

Any reason why you picked such dark colours? Or is it just my screen? In any case, I much prefer the brighter colours of the three flags before 1. I quite like the designs, though. #5 (with the small crosses) is indeed quite a nice one! But if you'd ask me what my personal favourite would be, I'd say: the background of #i or #ii (the "Moldovan army" resp. the "snorist Moldovan flag", with the golden SNOR-bull of #4. As for the cross: Moldova is definitely orthodox, so no Latin cross. But frankly, I don't really see why all snorist flags should necessarily have a cross on them. A bull without a cross would be fine to me.

But let's see what David and Romex have to say! —IJzeren Jan ^Uszkiełtu? 12:09, 6 April 2006 (PDT)

regarding the dark colours, paler ones looked too russian and also darker ones help the contrast.

About the cross (orthodox it is then), I had always envisioned the "cross-over-animal" to be the SNORist basic design as *here* communist parties uses "overlayed-tools-symbolising-class" emblems: crossed hammer and scythe (russia and china), crossed hammer and compas (east-germany), crossed hamme, hoe & brush (north Korea), etc... The cross though doesn't have to be either latin or orthodox. It could be cultural (like for slevania) or be a cross-like object (liek a sword) or some simple geometric pattern (like a triangle). To have a basic similitude gives an impression of strength through unity without completely losing one's identity. --Marc Pasquin 19:36, 6 April 2006 (PDT)

FWIW I like #8 because the bull looks meaner, and well, I like it. BoArthur 18:29, 6 April 2006 (PDT)

My own view--for whatever that's worth--is that my own bull is the inferior of the two designs. Yet I also kinda prefer my own color schemes--but just barely. Zahir 20:08, 6 April 2006 (PDT)

Maybe a cross between Zahir's 5 and Marc's 8 is in order? Taking Marc's bull, and Zahir's colors and the Orthodox cross? BoArthur 21:00, 6 April 2006 (PDT)

I prefer Zahir's more stylised bull, since it's more in-keeping with the stylised eagles of the slavic SNORist flags. --Sikulu 07:46, 7 April 2006 (PDT)

From what I see now, I'd definitely prefer #5a. Although, I think it would look even better with the colour scheme of #i (dark blue background, bright red cross). —IJzeren Jan ^Uszkiełtu? 09:35, 7 April 2006 (PDT)

Excellent, #5d is exactly what I had in mind! —IJzeren Jan ^Uszkiełtu? 23:43, 7 April 2006 (PDT)

For me the designs I like the best are probably #5d and #5e. Both of the color schemes looks good. The bull design (Zahir's) is the one I like best of the ones I see, although I could imagine seeing something even better. I like the cross to be orthodox, preferably with the longer base. RoMex 05:58, 9 April 2006 (PDT)

I like #5d the most. Seth 08:26, 9 April 2006 (PDT)

I like #5e myself. --Sikulu 06:18, 10 April 2006 (PDT)

I get an impression that #5d is kinda the majority choice? Am I wrong? Zahir 06:19, 10 November 2006 (PST)

Transnistrian Secessionists?

[1] I have to bring this up, because as much as I love IB, some things are just too "neat and tidy." BoArthur 17:02, 31 January 2007 (PST)

This separatism is largely rooted in previous Soviet occupation of the area, Soviet-built industry in it and Soviet politics (the tradition of which can be said to remain there). Despite of not being in the majority Russians took the government in real-world Transnistria and continued Soviet policies of preffering Russian language over Romanian/Moldova, the tradition of calling the political opponents to be fascists (supposedly Moldovan government wants to get rid of Russian language in its territory, while in fact this is not the case). The real world Transnistrian separatism is also based on the fact that Transnistria was not part of Romania until WWII, but was incorporated into Moldovan SSR by the Soviets based on the Romanian/Moldovan plurality there. The historical and political situation is very different in IB, although some form of separatism might indeed exist. Abdul-aziz 05:57, 11 February 2007 (PST)

If a separatist motion is *there*, then it might not have to do with russians, but perhaps another minority, like perhaps Ukrainians maybe. I can see a seperatist movement, though I highly doubt it would have gone as far as *here*. Seth 23:14, 11 February 2007

Most likely ethnic-Ukrainian seperatists (perhaps backed by Ukrainian irridentists who want Odessa back). --Sikulu 04:22, 12 February 2007 (PST)

I think the Ukrainians are a bit hot under the collar because so much of their "territory" is under foreign control, so it would work fine with me if that were the case. BoArthur 13:58, 13 February 2007 (PST)

Odesa...

I have been looking into the history of Rome *here* and I noticed that the area known as Odesa *there* coorelates with a Roman colony called Tyras. While I don't object with the name of the city as Odesa, I could actually see the region it inhabits called Tyras, what with Rome lasting longer in the region (I think...), and the Romanian people speaking a Romance language. Perhaps not Tyras, but something akin to it... Seth 07:44 15 September 2007

Perhaps, perhaps not. I think renaming it would be warranted it the city had been under Romanian influence for a very, very long time. But in our case it's different, because Moldova just got it by snatching it away from Ukraine and never returning it. Unless the Romanians have always been calling it Tyras or something akin to it, they'd rather have kept the name Odessa. —IJzeren Jan ^Uszkiełtu? 01:31, 15 September 2007 (PDT)

Could it have been like the political motivations behind Stalingrad or any of the other cities that were renamed in Russia? BoArthur 17:03, 15 September 2007 (PDT)