Talk:Louisianne

Divisions

How come you changed the departments into prefectures ? The second is a subdivision of the first--Marc Pasquin 09:11, 18 Feb 2005 (PST)

At some point you or Christophe Grandsire had brought up the point that the Departments didn't come to be *here* until De Gaulle restructured France. That's why I've been switching it over to prefectures. Am I wrong in this? BoArthur

Not sure what the comment might have been about but departments were a creation of the revolution. To try an lessen old attachemen to the various provinces, the new government divided the country (and the new territorial aquisitions) into departments that cut through old borders.

The only thing I can think of that Christophe might have been taking about is that the *current* departments number and borders date from de Gaulle. I checked online and there was a big reorganisation in the mid 1960s while he was President so this might be it.

If you want to stick with french republican useage, keep the territory divided into departments and have the "capital" of each being a prefecture.--Marc Pasquin 09:49, 18 Feb 2005 (PST)

Oh. I see. Do you know good links where I can look into that? There's a great deal of changes that may need to happen for Louisianne...or rewriting of history to conform with what we have now. BoArthur

If you are asking about the sense of prefecture, you could check this: wikipedia:Prefectures in France

if you mean the evolution from the old provincial to the new departmental division of the territory, it would be something that would depend on the particular cases of your provinces but maybe a good rule of thumb would be that you had about 1 province in the old system for every 3-4 departments you have now. Remember that under the ancient regime *here* louisiana, canada and acadia were all unified political entities so its quite possible that all you modern departments are post-revolutionary creation based on vaguely defined geographical region from before. This is incidently what happened with the modern administrative region of Québec. Until a few decades ago, none of them represented anything beyond a vaguely defined part of the province by which one would indicate a particular point on the map.--Marc Pasquin 11:38, 18 Feb 2005 (PST)

I'm just concerned that this will mean a restructuring of the government that I hadn't expected. I want to do it right, since LA is the inheritor of the Revolution. I'm just trying to sort out all the pieces. I suppose that I will soon have departments and further depth to Louisianne Territorial Administration. :) Any other words of wisdom and suggestion? BoArthur

Any major difference between the system in france and louisiana could be explained as a result of the reorganisation of the summer revolution.

As for the administration, keep the department you had before and make them a recent (post-revolution) invention. The capital of each would be a prefecture. A few of the largest city (the political and the economical capital) would be both a department and a prefecture at the same time. The préfet would be the (unelected) head of the civil service and political power goes to the "Président de l'assemblée départementale" (usualy shorten to "Président de/du.....[name of department]").

The department would then be divided into Districts then Cantons and finaly Communes which you could simply based on equivalent subnationals entities *here* (county then township then suburbs or small villages).--Marc Pasquin 07:35, 19 Feb 2005 (PST)

Commentaire des Etrangérs

I'm not sure what to do with the last bit of info that's commentary about Louisianne. Can any of you give a suggestion? Thanks! BoArthur 14:06, 18 Feb 2005 (PST)

Well, why not give it a header "Louisianne in the Foreign Press", or "Commentaire des Étrangers" (I'm pretty sure about the _r_)? It's not forbidden to include new headers for info that doesn't fit in the template, is it? IJzeren Jan 01:13, 19 Feb 2005 (PST)

How about "Commentaires à l'étranger" [commentaries from outside the country] ? "Commentaires de étrangers" [foreigners' comments] sounds a bit confrontative. In any case, I'd go with Jan's first proposal since the wiki layout is in english.--Marc Pasquin 07:35, 19 Feb 2005 (PST)

Lyons-sur-Mizouri

What department is LSM in? Nik 22:58, 21 Feb 2005 (PST)

I suppose it's confusing, since PsurM is listed under Mizouri. LsurM is the capital of the Département of Mizouri. PsurM is not part of any Département. BoArthur

As I had suggested above, you could make it a department in itself. That way, people within still get to vote and receive the same level of services as others (unlike the US federal district or the australian capital territory) while at the same time being independant from any other department.--Marc Pasquin 06:28, 22 Feb 2005 (PST)

That is a possibility, and I may have to consider it. I'll think about what the minimum cutoff is for a city of that nature. I'll post that in here to see what you all think. BoArthur

FWIW, the city of Amsterdam *here* is the capital of the Netherlands, but not of the province it belongs to (Noord-Holland). The capital of the province is Haarlem. There have always been discussions and proposals about turning Amsterdam (and Rotterdam, for that matter) into a city province, but it never happened. At present, Amsterdam is simply part of Noord-Holland and enjoys no special status within it whatsoever, although in reality Amsterdam is pretty much left alone by the province. My 2p. IJzeren Jan 03:17, 23 Feb 2005 (PST)

Another idea

Another possibility is to make certain major cities into something like the Special Cities or Independant Cities of many nations. Nik 20:58, 22 Feb 2005 (PST)

I was thinking something along the lines of cities within VA. They're part of the county, but more independent than anything else. BoArthur

Perhaps a Wrong Assumption????

It occurs to me maybe I'm stepping on some toes. In Vixen and the Alliance for Public Decency there is the inherent premise that Louisianne has a film industry and that it, like France's *here*, is more frank when it comes to nudity and sexuality. Is this totatlly wrong, or can it fit within the parameters of the country's identity? Zahir 23:54, 3 Oct 2005 (PDT)

No, I would think that they're somewhere between the US and France *here*. They are, after all, French. ;) The only thing that has kept us from being like them is our inherent puritanical hypocrisy, which these days is fast fading. BoArthur

Pre-1950's

It was not until after the Second Great War that France belatedly acknowledged the formal independence of its last North American colony. Was this just an overlooked technicality, and France and Louisianne dealt with each other as fully sovereign nations, complete with ambassadors and the like? Or did France actually actively claim at least some sovreignty over Louisianne? What caused the formal acknowledgement of independence? Nik 12:19, 12 August 2007 (PDT)

Perhaps the acknowledgement came due to the reorganisation in France. Tying loose ends sort of things ? --Marc Pasquin 19:42, 13 August 2007 (PDT)

Would that have been precipitated by the end of GWII? I think that would work just fine. I've reworded a bit, and I think further explanation should be made on France's page. What say ye? BoArthur 21:40, 13 August 2007 (PDT)

Level of development

How developed is Louisianne? Some accounts suggest it's highly disorganised and corrupt but was never under an explicit dictatorship, something like modern Mexico, but others suggest it's more like Italy *here*. Definitely not the United States, however. Which account is more accurate? Juan Martin Velez Linares 12:55, 14 September 2015 (CDT)

Now don't be listening to them Covees. They'd like you t'think that we're a bunch of backwards kleptocrats. It's true, we might've been ten, twenty years ago, but now, we're one of the leaders of the space race, right respectable, what!

I'd say it's more on par with Italy, verging toward France *here*, now, than it was. But it WAS bad, prior to President Young's administration, and President Gildersleeve's house cleaning. BoArthur 15:36, 14 September 2015 (PDT)