Talk:Congress of Vienna

The CoV *here* dramatically reduced the number of constituent states in the HRE, from apparently 300 to 39. Did the same thing happen? If so, we should note that. BoArthur 14:24, 3 January 2006 (PST)

It could've been a reform of Emperor Napoleon's separate from the Congress of Vienna, particularly as he was the Holy Roman Emperor *there* Nik 00:23, 17 January 2006 (PST)

Changes *Here*

• Russia was given most of the Duchy of Warsaw (Poland) and was allowed to keep Finland (which it had taken from Sweden) until 1917.

Was this even an issue? I would think not, with the changes to the RTC and the existence of Nassland. BoArthur

Nassland, France, Scandinavian Union and Russia signed so called Scandinavian Peace Treaty 1810, which was part of CoV; this treaty de iure and de facto reconstituted independent Nassland. Jan II.

When was the Treaty of Quarter that allowed the French to quarter troops in Nassland, even though they never did? BoArthur

Treaty of Hospitality (is "of Quarter" better English?) happend in 1809. Moreover, French troops were stationed in Nassland for one year, until 1810, when Russia and SR finally recognised new Nassland. Alexander retracted his men soon after Hospitality Treaty, but Nassland was in diplomatic vacuum, so to say, neither Russia nor SR recognised it in a present form. That was the reason for Scandinavian Peace Treaty. Jan II.

• Prussia was given two fifths of Saxony, parts of Poland, and the Rhineland

I doubt that this happened. BoArthur

In fact, totally oppo things happend: Prussia returned Silesia/Lusatia and some part of Veneda. It may receive on the other hand Rheinland, but not a piece of Saxony, as Sikulu pointed out. Jan II.

• A Germanic Confederation of 39 states was created from the previous 300, under the presidency of the Austrian Emperor. Only portions of the territory of Austria and Prussia were included in the Confederation.

Something like this must've happened, because the HRE always appears with a very small number of states. Comments? BoArthur

We need to list the detailed changes *here* and then piece by piece say what might be effective in IB. I may try to search for it, but help would be appretiated. Jan II.

If you ask me, we could simply rephrase this as "A Germanic Confederation, still carrying the name HRE, of ?39? states was created from the previous 300, under the presidency of the French Emperor." —IJzeren Jan ^Uszkiełtu?

Personally, I'd think that something like the Confederation of the Rhine would be more likely. Of course, Batavia would be smaller that it was *here* in the north-east, as would Westphalia (which would probably still have Jérôme Bonaparte as its king). Some of states would eventually coalese into other ones (e.g. the various Anhalts, etc). See here, here and here for helpful maps. --Sikulu 08:37, 7 April 2006 (PDT)

• The House of Orange was given the Dutch Republic and the Austrian Netherlands to rule as the Kingdom of the Netherlands and the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg (the former inside, the latter outside, the Germanic Confederation)

Jan van, how was the House of Orange restored to the throne in the BK? BoArthur

I don't know yet. Christophe once postulated that there might be a connection between Louis Napoléon and the House of Orange. But don't ask me how. Perhaps Louis married some Orange girl or so? —IJzeren Jan ^Uszkiełtu?

• Norway was transferred to Sweden (in personal union)

I'm guessing this didn't happen. When was Sweden rejoined to Denmark-Norway?

Yes, 1809 the Scandinavian Realm was created.

• Sweden ceded Swedish Pomerania to Prussia.

This didn't happen...or did it? When was Pomerania returned to the HRE and RTC? Rygen was never turned over, but the rest was...when? BoArthur

• The neutrality of Switzerland was guaranteed

Did anything happen to La Jelbatz *there*? BoArthur

That I doubt. Helvetia != Switzerland- they've never been big on the whole neutrality thing.

Helvetia? Neutral?! Ha! —IJzeren Jan ^Uszkiełtu?

• Hanover gave up the Duchy of Lauenburg to Denmark, but was enlarged by the addition of former territories of the Bishop of Münster and by the formerly Prussian East Friesland, and made a kingdom.

East Friesland reverted to the BaK; what happened to Munster?

Nothing, I think. —IJzeren Jan ^Uszkiełtu?

This, from Wikipedia's article on Hanover: "in October of 1814 it became the Kingdom of Hanover at the Congress of Vienna, in order to make George III equal to the upstart King of Württemberg in German affairs. The Congress of Vienna installed a territorial exchange between Hanover and Prussia, in which Hanover increased its area substantially. Hanover gained the Bishopric of Hildesheim, East Frisia, the Lower County of Lingen, and the northern part of the Bishopric of Münster. It lost those parts of the Duchy of Lauenburg to the right of the Elbe, and several small exclaves in the east." BoArthur

• Most of the territorial gains of Bavaria, Württemberg, Baden, Hesse-Darmstadt, and Nassau under the mediatizations of 1801-1806 were recognized. Bavaria also gained control of the Rhenish Palatinate and parts of the Napoleonic Duchy of Würzburg and Grand Duchy of Frankfurt, while Hesse-Darmstadt, in exchange for giving up the Duchy of Westphalia to Prussia, was granted the city of Mainz.
• Austria regained control of the Tirol and Salzburg; of the former Illyrian Provinces, and of Lombardy-Venetia in Italy. Former Austrian territory in Southwest Germany remained under the control of Württemberg and Baden, and the Austrian Netherlands were also not recovered.
• Habsburg princes were returned to control of the Grand Duchy of Tuscany and the Duchy of Modena
• The Papal States were restored to their former extent, with the exception of Avignon and the Comtat Venaissin, which remained part of France.

I would say that this should be roughly the same *there*, depending on how much Napo adjusted the size of the Papal states.BoArthur

• Britain was confirmed in control of Cape Colony, South Africa; Tobago; Ceylon; and various other colonies in Africa and Asia. Other colonies, particularly the Dutch East Indies, Martinique, and Guadeloupe, were restored to their previous owners.
• The King of Sardinia was restored in Piedmont, Nice, and Savoy, and was given control of Genova
• The Duchies of Parma, Piacenza and Guastalla were given to Marie Louise, Napoleon's wife.
• The Duchy of Lucca was created for the House of Bourbon-Parma, which would have reversionary rights to Parma after the death of Marie Louise.
• The Bourbon Ferdinand IV, King of Sicily was restored to control of the Kingdom of Naples, but only after Joachim Murat, the king installed by Bonaparte, rose up and supported Napoleon in the Hundred Days.
• The slave trade was condemned (at British urging)

Didn't this happen earlier *there*? Am I confused? BoArthur

If you mean in france, *slavery* (not just the trade) was banned under the republic but reinstated under the empire (for economical reasons). While this could have happened *there*, considering the context of IB's version of the congress, I doubt the British kingdoms would have had much to say there.--Marc Pasquin 16:02, 17 January 2006 (PST)

• Freedom of navigation was guaranteed for many rivers