Talk:Adolf Hessler

The text that's listed under the main body needs to be incorporated in the text, and this article needs to be watched over so long as Zahir and others are discovering information about the Second Great War.

I just tried to expand a little bit on what I'd actually written before and incorporate what had been discussed about Hessler. I figured his end was a bit more like that of Mussolinni, minus the being murdered by crowds but somewhat like England's Henry VI or Richard II. Among other things, I wanted to foreshadow his madness in some way. Hope this was alright. Zahir 22:02, 31 October 2005 (PST)

So you think Hessler's end came about due to a red hot poker and a urgent need to use the privy ? Maybe I'm thinking of the wrong english king.....--Marc Pasquin 15:46, 1 November 2005 (PST)

That would be Edward II, not Richard II. Zahir 17:33, 1 November 2005 (PST)

I was actualy thinking of Edmund II (and kidding too) but seriously, what type of End did you have in mind ? Emprisonned until "nature is helped along in its course thanks to the office of the jailer" or simply emprisonned for the rest of his natural life ? --Marc Pasquin 17:43, 1 November 2005 (PST)

Who was Edmund II? For that matter, who was Edmund I??????

As described in the article, an increasingly unstable Hessler was imprisoned/hospitalized until he died just a few years later. Was he helped along to meet his reward? Well, I'm sure Errol Redfern has an opinion but as for the truth of the matter--it seems unlikely. Not impossible. Zahir 18:01, 1 November 2005 (PST)

Edmund II (ironside) was english king in 1016 (less then a year). After getting beaten by Knut, he made a deal with him to split the kingdom and whoever would survive would get the lot. Shortly thereafter, he died in a manner that went into legend.

Edmund ruled sometime around the 940s. both were part of the house of Wessex.--Marc Pasquin 03:02, 2 November 2005 (PST)

Excuse me? Now Adolf Hessler WAS the Holy Roman Emperor????? Zahir 21:18, 1 November 2005 (PST)

No, that was a misunderstanding. Von Hessler overshadowed the real Emperor completely and therefore earned himselve the nickname "Adolf I", yes; but he never became emperor himself. I don't know if he had the ambition, but if you ask me, to an old-fashioned Prussian soldier like him the thought wouldn't probably ever have occurred! --IJzeren Jan 00:45, 2 November 2005 (PST)

Maybe it is me, but I don't think the little logo at the bottom of the page belongs there, unless Hessler were actually Kaiser. Would you put Cardinal Richelieu as Louis XIII's successor? JMHO Zahir 23:07, 2 November 2005 (PST)

a-bomb in Lodz

I seriously doubt that such a primitive a-bomb and detonated on ground could cause 55 kilodeaths. It it known for a relativelly long time, that on-ground detonations has much lower strenght that in-air. It is said, AFAIR, that if a-bomb explodes in circa 600 m it has the most devastating effect (this was used over Japan, AFAIK). On-ground detonated bomb would not be able to smash a town of Lodz size. Just my two groats. -- Jan II.

Good point. Perhaps the Germans simply used one of their last planes. The pilot would've been shot down, but perhaps the bomb was connected to some sort of altimeter, rigged to explode at the suitable height? Would that be possible at the time? You'd still get the suicide mission aspect (the pilot would've known there was no way he could escape with his life) Nik 00:38, 9 November 2005 (PST)

So, how many deaths wóuld be realistic if the bomb was detoned on the ground, but in the center of the city? --IJzeren Jan 00:45, 9 November 2005 (PST)

If we have established the level of German engineering *there* on the same level as *here* during GW2, we can easily suppose, that they have a technology for even semi-self-navigated planes and bombs with relevant altimeters. Than, we can still use pilots from Leonhart Legion (German suicide pilot club *here*). It were Germans during WW2, who invented joystick to navigate anti-naval bombs using tele-cameras in 1944.

I do not want to play Satan, but I would say half or third of the number issued. Say, the Lodz had approx. 300,000 inhabitants in 1948. Lodz *here* sits on a longish territory (approx. 3x5 km), the city centre is close to southern part of the ovoid. With an epicentre close to Russian HQ somewhere in the middle of the centre it could devastate like one tenth to one sixth of the city extent, I think approx. 1.75 sq.km (circle with 0.75 km in diameter). If we suppose, that there are not many "native" inhabitants close to HQ (security and results of previous assault), I really come to some 15,000-25,000 victims, mostly Russian soldiers and officer staff. The strenght of a-bomb is much lowered by explosion among houses, which can effectivelly block the devastating change of air pressure. The devastating effect *here* could lie more in many dead high rank officers; imagine *here* let say 3.Ukrainskiy front under marshal Malinovskiy would be decapited!! It means a serious gap in frontline, which for sure was used by Hessler and his melody boys to brake through and to force Russians to retreat. -- Jan II.

Makes sense. So what would have your preference? An airplane and more victims, or a bunch of decapitated Ukrainians and a gap in the frontline? --IJzeren Jan 01:37, 9 November 2005 (PST)

Hessler is a soldier, although of general staff, and definitelly not Hitler. Having his choice, I would go for frontline brake. It will kill two birds with one stone: terror'n'horror among Russians and strategically good starting point for counter-offensive. Thereafter, he us going to fail it not due to the lack of military abilities, but due to a war attrition. -- Jan II. winner of many strategic PC games :)

Okay then, the bomb was smuggled into the city and it exploded on the ground. The number of victims was 25,000 instead of 55,000. And then: terror all over among the Russians! :) --IJzeren Jan 06:10, 9 November 2005 (PST)