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(((Good point. Okay, after the fall of SNOR, at the same point that Germany signed off on the Oder-Neisse line?)))

((I don't entirely understand your question. Could you please reformulate it?))

(I was suggesting that the Galicia condominium be set up in 1989 rather than 1945, after the fall of SNOR.)

I'm not opposed to the idea, but before such a thing can take place, there must be a lot of VERY good will from both sides, along with a strong mutual interest. Economically, Ukraine's economy must have been a mess after Russia collapsed, while the Republic is perhaps not a rich, but definitely not a poor country. Moreover, *here* Poland and Ukraine are not exactly each other's best friends; *there* it might be not so bad, but their relationship is undoubtedly troubled by both history and mutual minorities. Also I somehow doubt whether the Ukrainians, immediately after regaining their independence, would be so eager to sacrifice part of it immediately to some other local superpower.

What about European integration in IB? If Ukraine understands, that Europe is not particularly interested in it, it might turn to the Baltic League as a reasonable alternative.

Ruthenia

Jan Havlis, 7158:
"If the history of Hungary is closer *there* to *here*, Transkarpathia was already part of Hungary, as it became *here* somewhere in XI. century. And Yes, it *there* was a RTC division, I would say, that Hungary took those parts, taken *here* by Austria, since there was already bickering between Poland and Hungary *here* about border regions like Orava and Spiš."

Jan van Steenbergen, 7298:
"After GW I first it proclaimed its independence, then joined the Western Ukrainian People's Republic (ZUNR). However, the ZUNR was more or less sold by Ukraine to the RTC in exchange for military support against the Russian armies and an autonomous status for the region. The Karpathians were not happy with this situation, but they hadn't much choice but to accept it. Anyway, they must have understood that being a part of the RTC was a lesser evil than to remain part of Hungary. We still need to find out a lot about Slevania. When did it become independent? What side was it on during GW II? Perhaps, like *here*, Transkarpathia has been part of Slevania, but after GW II was transferred to the R.T.C.?"

Jan van Steenbergen, 6336:
(Ad Galicia: Ruthenia was part of Hungarian Kingdom till 1918 since its it was established. How did Hungary lost this teritorry to Galicia? Or is the alternative history of RTC made in sucha way, that it became never part of Hungary?)
"*Here* Transkarpathia and Slovakia both belonged to the Kingdom of Hungary, while Galicia belonged to Austria. *There* the situation is quite different: Austria (or rather: Austria-Dalmatia) and Hungary were two separate states. Apart from a short period during which the Republic of the Two Crowns was partitioned, Galicia has never been part of Austria. Slevania and Transkarpathia were part of Hungary (right, Benct and Ferko?) Austria and Hungary lost the Great War. As a result, Slevania became an independent state. And Transkarpathia? Presumably it was added to the RTC after the defeat of the Central powers. OTOH, it could as well have become a part of Slevania. If that's what you guys prefer, then I'll change the map accordingly."

Now I have a few questions:

1. Hungary liberated itself from Ottoman rule in 1869. But how long had it been part of the Ottoman Empire, and what kind of status did it have in these years?

2. Does this mean that Slevania and Ruthenia/Transkarpatia were also part of the Ottoman Empire? Somehow I can't believe that!

3. Slevania became independent from Hungary in 1918, right? What kind of state did it become? What course did it follow, and, most importantly, what was its positions in the 1939 War (the Second Great War)?

4. Does Slevania also belong to those countries that were under Russian rule between the end of the GW2 and 1989/91? Hungary did, and so did the Romanian states.</tt>

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