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why the winged sea-lions as supporters ?--Marc Pasquin 20:58, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

The idea was to help indicate the extremely diverse nature of the League. A similar idea was tried (but rejected) for the Toronto COA over *here*, but their supporters were a weird combo of bear, leopard and some kind of lizard. But by any measure the NAL is one of, if not the, most diverse states in IB. There is also the hint of air, land and sea--as in the NAL claiming and retaining the sovereigny over their territory. That was what I had in mind, anyway. Zahir 21:44, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Darn, beat me to it. Land/air/sea is what I got from it. Googling around, it seems that Newport (Wales) has a similar beast as a supporter, but it's uncommon. I wonder whether something from Native mythology could be incorporated. The Iroquois seemed to imagine North America as the back of a Great Turtle; that could make an interesting compartment for the arms. Benkarnell 21:48, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

An interesting idea...perhaps within the star? Zahir 23:37, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

That feels too busy to me. I was thinking as a base beneath the supporters. But then, they don't have feet to stand on anything, so that might look strange.

Do the winged sea-lions have any use outside the arms? Could I see them atop the gate leading to a Viceroy's residence? Benkarnell 23:45, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

That is where I would prefer the turtle as well (ever hear the story about an little old asian lady who told off an astronomy prof, insisting the world was held up by a turtle? He asked her what the turtle was standing on and she replied "Its turtles all the way down!"). But I need to find a good picture of a turtle in that position. I'm looking.

Heh heh. I like the idea of the winged sea lions showing up elsewhere. On money, for example? And atop the gates of the Viceregal palace is cool! I can just see amateur organizations praising and opposed to the winged sea-lion! <g> 00:08, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

I do like the turtle. Adds just the right amount of "Iroquois-ness". Benkarnell 01:06, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank. I liked it as well. All feedback and suggestions very welcome! Zahir 02:15, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Seapanther

There is some Indian myth about a seapanther, half fish, half cougar. It had hair made out of copper and depending on what tribe, it was either wise or ate people. Something like that. Misterxeight 00:12, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

That sounds cool. Hmmm...maybe can figure out how to use that somewhere... hmmmm... Zahir 00:45, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

At the very least, there should be a Patrol Boat Seapanther in the Solemn League Navy. Benkarnell

Absolutely!!!! Zahir 02:15, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

I thought of putting select info from wikipedia, but there's so much useful stuff on it. You can see it at [1] Misterxeight 01:13, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Names

As a compulsive blazoneur, I'm having trouble naming the enlongated 5-pointed star in the shield. Is that a normal charge in any way, or did you invent it for these arms? What does it represent? Benkarnell 01:26, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

The white star on blue, of course, is something of a motif from the NAL flag. The elongated top point is to indicate north, as in (duh) North American League. I invented it for this and some other sigils for the NAL. I suppose one might name it an "NAL star"? Zahir 02:15, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

"Covenant star"? Benkarnell

Bravo on the blazoning! Zahir 05:55, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

I have to say the elongated star is the least pleasing part of the whole. Perhaps a star on a compass rose or just the compass rose or just the star. To be honest, it didn't jump out and say "I point to the north star!" -- I wasn't sure what to make of it, and still don't make the connexion between pointing to the north star and an elongated star. But that's just my opinion! Otherwise, absolutely fantastic! Elemtilas 20:41, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Crowns

Considering what we just learned about the Fifth Monarchy and all that, I wonder if the shield should have six crowns (for England, Scotland, Kemr, Scandinavia, Native sovereignty, and the rule of God). Benkarnell 06:02, 3 October 2008 (UTC)