Talk:Russo-Japanese Condominium Area

Any ideas how this is administered, Jan? - Nik 00:10, 14 Mar 2005 (PST)

Nik's proposal

Looks good, Nik. There's only one thing I'm not sure about. Why would there be prime ministers at all? The way I see the condominium area, it is an integral part of both Primorye ánd Ezo. Something like a province, I'd say, although obviously one with a special status. So the construction with two governors and two legislatures looks good to me, but I'm not sure about the necessity of two governments with two prime ministers. I don't know about Japan, but in Russia provinces don't have governments; what they do have is a governor, a council, and a number of executives within the governor's admininstration. My take would be that there are no prime ministers, but that the governors themselves fulfull that function.

Furthermore, if I understand you correctly, all inhabitants of the Area are citizens of éither Primorye ór Ezo, right? That would of course solve some problems for us. But wouldn't it be far more likely that all citizens of the Area have dual citizenship? And if so, what consequence would that have for the dual legislature situation? --IJzeren Jan 01:13, 15 December 2005 (PST)

Good point about the prime ministers. I was thinking along the lines that condominiums tended to be largely autonomous in internal matters. In addition, I know that at least some condominiums *here* had doubled institutions, though I suspect that most condominiums *there* would be more streamlined, since that would, in part, explain their greater presence. However, while that may be the case for some condominia, it probably isn't for this one. So, strike the PM's. The dual legislatures, too, now that I think about it, are unnecessarily complicated. A single legislature, answerable to two governors, would work, and still be a potentially contentious process.

As for dual citizenship, one potential problem there would be that it would effectively make the Area an open door between the two nations. I'm thinking that perhaps there is still different citizenships, but that, for internal matters, it doesn't make much difference, it only makes a difference when leaving the Area. Japanese citizens can travel freely to other parts of the Empire, but need a passport to enter Russia, and vice versa for Russian (Primoryan?) citizens. I'm not sure if it would also be possible to have dual citizenship.

There's still the question of how bureaucracies would work, and how differing national laws would apply. Litigation could get mighty complex, particularly with Consitutional law!  :-) [NT]

I agree about striking the dual legislatures as well. Let's have one legislature, perhaps one with a 50/50 subdivision. In fact, it could be a lot more interesting as well. Imagine: all the Russians angrily walking out of a meeting because the Chamber has taken a decision they don't like!

The dual citizinship issue gives of course much food for thought. I still think it is doable. Of course, the Area must have some special status. From a Russian point of view, it is almost certainly a restricted area, where not every Russian can walk in or out just like that. I'm sure only "very reliable" people were allowed to settle there, and that even visiting the area would cause one much trouble. People would always have to go through two customs, a Russian and a Japanese, and anyone who wasn't fished out by the former would probably by the latter. So the "open door" is in fact pretty closed; the Russians were undoubtedly aware of the possibilities provided by the area to leave the country, hence they put it under tight control.

For inhabitants of the area things would probably be a tad different: they wére allowed to leave the country, and some of them undoubtedly did, but I'm sure the Russian authorities did anything they could to ensure their return.

If we assume a situation similar to Tuvalu *here*, we'd end up with an interesting situation: one legislature, like you said, but two separate police forces, two separate law systems, two separate courts of justice. Depending on which policeman caught you for an offense, you would be tried according to Russian or Japanese laws. Of course, that leaves plenty of room for small provocations! --IJzeren Jan 23:27, 15 December 2005 (PST)

I like it! Let's QSS-ify that Nik 23:36, 15 December 2005 (PST)

Done! :) I'll modify the text accordingly. --IJzeren Jan 23:37, 15 December 2005 (PST)

My word that was a fast reply! Nik 23:38, 15 December 2005 (PST)

Hehe, it wasn't thát much text to type! :)) --IJzeren Jan 23:54, 15 December 2005 (PST)

Name Change (?)

Why the name change for the province? BoArthur 10:16, 22 December 2005 (PST)

I changed the Japanese name to Outer Manchuria (Gaimanxù), as the current name struck me as too much a translation of the old Russian name Maritime Province. Outer Manchuria is the traditional Chinese name of an area including the Condominium Area (see Wikipedia:Outer Manchuria), and it struck me as more logical that the Japanese would use that name. Nik 10:17, 22 December 2005 (PST)

*chuckles* Man, talk about fast! Got that question asked just as I was about to put the explanation down  :-) Nik 10:27, 22 December 2005 (PST)

Yeah, well, It's because I'm screwing around at work because the rest of the Dept.'s all watching King Kong, but because of my wife having an appointment today I have to miss out. :)BoArthur

What did Soccaitxi stand for? Maritime Province or something? BoArthur 10:11, 3 January 2006 (PST)

Pretty much. Land Beside the Sea, IIRC Nik 10:14, 3 January 2006 (PST)