Talk:Philobert I, Le Moyne de Bienville

Just something I would like clarify, when you say he "adopted" the name Bourbon, what exactly are you saying ?--Marc Pasquin 14:59, 8 November 2005 (PST)

I'm meaning that he changed his name to Bourbon-Le Moyne from Le Moyne de Bienville, because he wanted to emphasize his affiliation with the royal family, rather than the fact that he's a deposed royal. Is this untenable? (Not realistic?) BoArthur

deary me, yes. I had assumed he actualy was the elder bourbon but simply picking up the name would be a big no-no (from a monarchist point of view). Because of the salic law, simply being the descendant of a bourbon wouldn't work if said ancestor was female. Obviously he probably could do it from a legal stand point (as in legal change of name) but it certainly wouldn't be accepted by legitimists.

What might be done instead (if you haven't yet entirely worked out the family tree) would be for his father to have been the unnamed legitimate heir to the french throne who married his mother (the only child of the last pretender to the throne of louisianna) that way you would bring together both throne. Would even make sense for both family: the lemoyne gain more legitimacy and the bourbon regain a lost part of the former french empire.

If you're interested, we can try to figure who's who.--Marc Pasquin 15:23, 8 November 2005 (PST)

Just found something interesting, the last direct bourbon (Henri V) lived from 1820-1883 and died childless. What if he had a son ? the dates could make it ok for his son to mary philobert's only daughter and it is philobert's grandson who would then adopt the full name of bourbon-lemoyne and bring together both branches. what do you think ?

--Marc Pasquin 15:45, 8 November 2005 (PST)

I like the sound of this, do you want to work that out and rework this article? BoArthur

I'll try to write something. One advice: to prevent having "King Louis XX of France and Prince Louis V of Louisianna" we could avoid giving them any name previously used . That leave Philophert, Antoine and Louis-Antoine. The 2 Louis could become Ludovic(s) and Henri II could be Philobert II.

Well, one thing, however...Henri II here would be the child of Philobert, and it would be his niece that marries the child of Hank V, and HE would be Henri III, so we could change that man's name to either Philobert II or something completely different. I have a name change fix for the Louis's. BoArthur 18:51, 8 November 2005 (PST)

Dialect

Just a note, the parisian dialect spoken nowaday is not the the dialect that was spoken by the kings. Rather, it evolved from middle class parisians. Among blatant differences is the letters "oi" having been pronounced "way" (as in québec *here*) instead of the modern standard "wa".

Of course, that doesn`t mean that he couldn`t have done so, it just give a different slant to it (him being a bit of a wanker).--Marc Pasquin 06:40, 18 November 2005 (PST)

And since that's what I imagine him to be...a wanker, that is...it fits. He's trying to be something he's NOT. BoArthur 08:46, 18 November 2005 (PST)