Talk:North Slavic languages

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as a result of our yesterday ICQying with Pavel Iosad, I've created this page to discuss how to concert our efforts in IB north slavic langs construction. I suggest, we write here our current modus constructii and we can work on general scheme.

nassian: separated from Proto-Slavic approx. in 4th - 5th cc EC (the state of divergence is the final stage of Early Proto-Slavic), influenced by Baltic and Finno-Ugric languages, isolated for cca 250 years from other Slavic langs. main tendencies are Slavic (progressive sonority, tendency to palatalisation), but realised in a different way. tendency to palatalisation is quite weak. main features: early deyodisation, non-existence of glides (and thus in later stages also of consonant v), vowel harmonisation, over-long vowels, long consonants, some agglutination. Jan II. 23:44, 18 April 2006 (PDT)

Nassian

Nassian -- what's the current version of the pre-history? I. e. what region did the proto-Nassians come from?

proto-Nassians are descendents of what I call Ilmenian people; tribes who moved little bit more earlier more nothern in IB. they separated from them before Proto-slavic reached its classical state as it is defined in Slavisitics (around 1st palatalisation). Jan II.

Um, then looks like we actually have two different North Slavic groups. Also, was there a NW Russian dialect like the one *here*? That is, was Novgorod settled by Nassians or by East Slavs coming up later, like *here*? Pavel Iosad

Novgorod/Nookortu was founded and settled by Nassians, it was part of Principality of Selograd (Settikortu) before split in 862. Then it was independent (or later semi-independent) and under Ivan III. 1478, it became part of Russian Empire. Jan II. 22:52, 27 April 2006 (PDT)

One thought just occurred to me: given the fact that Nassian split off so early from Slavic, wouldn't there at least be some linguists who don't consider it a Slavic language at all, but rather something like an independent third branch in a Balto-Nasso-Slavic family?

In any case, I think we can probably depropose this page as well. There's still quite some work to be done, but this is not really a matter of proposing and QSSifying, I'd say. —IJzeren Jan ^Uszkiełtu? 03:28, 28 August 2007 (PDT)

i thought about it myself, to create separate "Balto-Slavic" or "Finno-Slavic" language group. and yes, in "real" IB, such a group of linguists will definitely appear and fight for the "uniqueness" of Nassian among Slavic languages ;)

i agree also with deproposing it. Jan II. 23:26, 28 August 2007 (PDT)