Talk:Carol Darwinhiwn

Andrew suspects Darwinhiwn was a heretical Cambriese Rite priest (where his heresy lies will remain to be seen, and indeed whether or not it warrants a (rather serious) charge of heresy. If this is so, then he thinks that the evolutionary theory attached to *here*'s Darwin must pass on to someone else, even though Darwinhiwn seems to have been a naturalist and seems to have made a relevant circumnavigation.

Once we figure out who came up with evolutionary theories *there*, the various references to "Darwin" in the Wiki will have to be altered.

One question that remains here is: what did Fr. Darwinhiwn report on? From the Page of Brithenig: "1839: Father Darwinhiwn presents his initial report of his circumnavigation of the world to the Kemrese Academy"

Alfred Russel Wallace, perhaps, or however his name would be Britheticized? His environmental views may well have also played a significant role in the development of Ecotopianism Nik 14:00, 13 March 2007 (PDT)

I think this makes some sense. Seeing as Wallace was an early proponent of the idea, he would be a natural to continue with it and bring it to something like the fruition it has had *here*. Not sure how "was strongly attracted to radical ideas in politics, religion and science. His advocacy of spiritualism and his belief in a non material origin for the higher mental faculties of humans strained his relationship with the scientific establishment, especially with other early proponents of evolution." will pan out, though. Perhaps later scientists will simply gloss over Wallace's more "spirited" attempts at melding the physical and the spiritual realms.

As far as Brithenicizing his hame, I don't know, but "Alfred", a Saxon name, would probably not be found among any Kemrese apart from English immigrants. Elemtilas 14:22, 13 March 2007 (PDT)

Makes sense. Scientists *here* (and presumably *there*, too) don't often mention Newton's beliefs in astrology, or his theological views. On the other hand, *Wallace's interests in spiritualism might play an interesting role vis-a-vis *there*'s equivalent of Creationism or Intelligent Design, assuming the latter exists Nik 08:54, 14 March 2007 (PDT)

I would hazard a "no" on the latter. Creationism (i.e. "Creation Science") especially and also ID are phenomena of a reactionary Evangelicalism here in the USA. There being no USA with its peculiar brand of religious mix (most Americans *there* are Catholics, mind!) I have no doubt that *Wallace's theories of speciation would be met with a different set of answers among Christian theologians *there*.

This is not to say some kind of religious compromise between *Wallace's theories and theological theories would not exist or not come into being -- I could see some kind of ID theory building on his works. What I'm saying is that it would probably be the Catholic Church in the lead of this particular reaction. In the end, it has largely accepted the pronouncements of Science on worldly matters (like *here*), though it is still very keen on understanding these matters in a spiritual way. In other words, the CC would say something like "OK, so we're descended of apes -- given that factoid, how are we to understand our spiritual nature and our particular relationship with the Divine? By what means did God provide us with souls, etc etc" From this, a kind of ID-esque general Theory of Creation could, mm, evolve among the more theologically minded scientists.

Now, if *Wallace sallies forth with his own interests in spiritualism, we might find some tension with both the established scientific community and with the Church. Probably nothing too serious in retrospect (after all, the world has gone on roughly as per *here* in such matters as evolutionary theory and genetics); but in the day, I'm sure the papers would have been full of the scandals and reactionism. Elemtilas 11:47, 14 March 2007 (PDT)

Rather than the kind of Christian Evangelicalism that the USA has known (which the NAL has had only a few whiffs of so far) I wonder if the Catholic Church(es) might have made more of a resistance to "Modernism"? Recall there are groups who to this day refuse to admit Paul VI was even Pope! Of course the actual details would be different, but I suspect there'd be something akin to such Fundamentalism, especially as a backlash against the earth-shattering scientific discoveries of the past century. Zahir 14:12, 14 March 2007 (PDT)

It's certainly possible (and more likely) that any resistance or reaction would come from the RCC (the Kemrese Church might be more tolerant on the whole, native son and all that). It all washes out in the end, though, as the CC's stance on scientific advancement is about the same *there* as *here*. The concerns in the modern era are also the same: things like ethical use of science and criticism of atomic weapons use -- the latter probably much harsher *there* since the things have been used several times the last century. Elemtilas 15:14, 14 March 2007 (PDT)