Talk:Aragonese

Murciano

I would like to propose that the Murcian local dialect be brought into the Aragonese and Catalan fold. Truth be told, the dialects of Eastern Iberia aren't that different from each other, so pulling in medieval Castilian and/or Mozarabic into medieval Aragonese I do not believe is a stretch. In the year 1266 in our world, the King of Aragon brought in transports from Aragon and Catalonia after he put down a Moorish revolt. Perhaps "there, he brought in exclusively Aragonese colonists. With that in effect and Aragonese being the language of the law of the land, I think a slow switch would be likely. That way, Aragonese finally has a port from which to spread out from and can be found in Melilla, Oran, Riu de l'Argent, Naples and Sicily, etc. Misterxeight 19:05, 29 September 2015 (PDT)

TBH, that was what I was thinking too, that the local Murcian dialect was assimilated into Aragonese. I should note that *here* there used to be a Catalan-speaking population in Murcia (Cartagena in particular) and I think during and right after the Reconquista Albacete was Aragonese-speaking, so probably those have "purer" dialects while what's spoken in Almeria is basically a patois of Aragonese, Catalan and Mozarabic (who knows, maybe even with some Narbonosc and Neapolitan thrown in) or Andalucian Spanish (well, Castilian). Juan Martin Velez Linares 22:19, 29 September 2015 (CDT)

I think these are all good ideas. Since this doesn't effect much, I doubt we need to make a proposal of it. All that's left is to think of numbers of each language the world over. Misterxeight 13:33, 30 September 2015 (PDT)

Aragonese speakers in other parts of Europe

In our world, only in one city in Sardinia can Catalan be found outside of Spain, Alghero. Just for fun, I'd like to propose that we keep Alghero speaking Catalan, but also that Aragonese is found in southern Italy as well as Greece. The reason that Catalan is spoken in Alghero is because after a war with Genoa, the local populace was expelled and replaced with Catalonians. Perhaps the same thing happened in another part of Italy, too, only this time it was Aragonese speakers that were sent.

In Greece, there is a Catholic populace descended from Italian colonists and native converts which survives to the present day in small numbers. While Byzantine history is a blindspot in IB which I'm campaigning to get a hold of, nothing is official yet, but perhaps the 4th Crusade and the Crusader states never happened. However, I could still see Byzantine Emperors leasing Aegean islands to foreign investors, and perhaps Aragon pledged enough aid to effectively lease one island or two, or it took an island from Genoa and/or Venice during some war. Syros is the most Catholic island in Greece, so perhaps instead of the Italians Hellenizing there and the converts maintaining Greek, they adopt Aragonese. Or, in some twist of fate, Syros stays much the same, but it's some other island that maintains Orthodoxy yet adopts the Aragonese language under Aragonese rule. I really can't resist a reason to get the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom in Aragonese! I'd suggest Naxos for that, since it was a colony in our world. Misterxeight 13:33, 30 September 2015 (PDT)

Nice idea, actually. IIRC someone put Alguerese Catalan in the wrong place on the map of Romance languages; perhaps Aragonese is spoken in that area instead? (Although *here* there's a Ligurian minority in the area which I kind of want to keep... maybe we can come up with some sort of explanation for that?) As for the idea of Syros having an Aragonese Catholic population, I say go for it. Although I was thinking... What if they are Latin Rite Catholics instead of Isidoran Rite Catholics? Perhas the northern part of Aragon (at least) is Latin Rite Catholic, and that's why the inhabitants of Syros are Latin rather than Isidoran? (Both are Roman Rites though, so there's not tòo huge of a difference I think. Juan Martin Velez Linares 16:24, 30 September 2015 (CDT)