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If he was King of England and Scotland, why does he have a Kemrese dragon on his standard? Deiniol 06:31, 6 November 2005 (PST)

Temporary insanity? Mine, not his. I've changed it. Oops. Zahir 07:09, 6 November 2005 (PST)

From most banners I have seen that change with the bearer (as opposed to passing it on to the next one), the differentiating mark tend to be smaller then the symbol of the land ruled. Something like england and scotland quartered (the first one depending in which kingdom he is) and an inescutcheon centered (just an example). --Marc Pasquin 16:17, 6 November 2005 (PST)

I concede all that you've said, but I believe this banner makes sense given the eccentric nature of the actual person as I've described him. However, this is a real problem, please let me know. Zahir 16:21, 6 November 2005 (PST)

Not the caretaker so not my problem to have. No matter how ecentric though, people (and especialy royals) aren't particularly innovative when it come to visual identity, they tend to be part of a continuum. For one, you want people to *get* what they are looking at: The banner as it stand look like a black english ensign defaced with a wolf and for some reason, the scottish flag. There is also the fact that this sort of thing is not normaly designed by the person who use it but by some heraldist who would have even more chance of being conservative.--Marc Pasquin 16:29, 6 November 2005 (PST)

Good points all. I am persuaded. I've altered the banner and uploaded a new version. Zahir 16:40, 6 November 2005 (PST)

What I meant by quartering was scotland and england (2 of each). Quartering all together makes it look like Wolfland is the dominant country in a union of 3.

Before you do another version though, remember that I'm not the caretaker, I'm just making suggestions. --Marc Pasquin 16:50, 6 November 2005 (PST)

No, I appreciate that. But I'm also trying to take things into account, such as the valid points you mentioned. However, at the moment I would venture to guess this version is one James IV might insist upon, as I imagine his character. Zahir 16:55, 6 November 2005 (PST)