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Comments very welcome. Zahir 21:46, 30 October 2005 (PST)

Excellent map. As for the year, I think it would be safer to say 1944 instead of 1943. At least, that's what I'd guess on the basis of the text in Second Great War. It writes that Russia and Serbia invaded Croatia in 1943 (without mentioning a month), and that "it took Germany less than a day to respond". And then: "Less than a year later the Baltic states, Lithuania, Belarus, Ukraine, the Crimea, and much of European Russia were occupied by the German-Hungarian armies; the Russian government was forced to leave Moscow and settle itself in Jekaterinenburg, in the Urals." In other words, I think you'd be safer with 1944 for this map.

It's still unclear what happened with the Danubian Confederation. There is a clear inconsistency between what is written on the Dalmatia page and what is written on the Second Great War page.

The former writes: "The Danubian Confederation fought against the Grossartige Allianz during the Second Great War, until the civil war broke out.", and that the civil war lasted from 1944 till 1947.

On the other hand, the Second Great War page writes: "The first signs of a split in the Allianz became visible in 1941, when the Danubian Confederation withdrew from it [...]. This annoyed the Allianz, and soon Germany, Hungary and Greece invaded with Russian support. The Danubian Confederation did not stand a chance; it formally ceased to exist, and in its place several smaller puppet states were established, [...]. The Independent State of Croatia [...] clashed heavily with the new snorist regimes of the Kingdoms of Bulgaria and Serbia, which had factually become Russian satellites."

First of all, we don't know for sure if Serbian and Bulgaria were indeed overrun by Germany. We don't know what happened to Dalmatia. The text of Dalmatia (originally written by Ferko and much older than my text about GW2) doesn't take into account any of our later discoveries regarding the War, and the quotes from Second Great War were mostly Ferko's own ideas. But if the entire DC was under German occupation in 1944, it strikes me as unlikely that there really was a Civil War in that year. But if it didn't start in 1944, then when did it start? And if there wasn't any Civil War at all, how did the CSDS come into existence? And would the CSDS really have emerged in 1947, in the middle of GW2? I think those years date back to the times when we still assumed a WW2 or a GW2 that lasted from 1939 till 1945!

I'm afraid we can't solve these problems without Ferko's intervention. I guess we'll just have to wait till he returns from China. In the meantine, let's just keep the DC black.

--IJzeren Jan 07:03, 31 October 2005 (PST)

It now make even less sense to me for Xliponia to have managed to stay unconquered, the alliance hold *all* the coastline and lands around it. Even if they somehow managed to hold the allianz for a bit, Greece got to have some form of navy so blockading wouldn't that hard and they could starve them into surrendering.

In any case, nothing shameful about heroic guerrila.--Marc Pasquin 15:03, 1 November 2005 (PST)

Jan, he can receive e-mail if you wanted to e-mail him this quandary... BoArthur

My couple of pence...The question is not whether Xliponia could have withstood an invasion but whether the Allianz had any reason to invade. Look at Switzerland *here* which was surrounded on all sides by the Axis. If there was no reason to take Xliponia--or no reason worth the trouble--then no one invades. No invasion, no conquest. Simple. Zahir 18:04, 1 November 2005 (PST)