Talk:Personal names of the Scandinavian Realm

Kristian, I would swear that I transferred this already...have you checked for a dupe? BoArthur

• Indeed, you did. There is now both Rigsmaal patronymics and Rigsmaal Patronymics ... I personally would suggest deleting the second, turning it into a redirect for the first. One or the other should definitely be removed Nik 21:02, 13 Feb 2005 (PST)

Eeeh Gads! Well, what happened was that I discovered that the patronymics link in the Rigsmaal page was "dead", and so I figured that it was because the patronymics page was not transfered from the old wiki. Sorry about that. Boreanesia 22:56, 13 Feb 2005 (PST)

Can someone delete the second one, as Nik suggested? Boreanesia 22:58, 13 Feb 2005 (PST)

Done! (actually, not deleted but changed into a redirect). BTW, anyone who wants a page deleted can do so by adding {{delete}} to the top of the page. IJzeren Jan 23:47, 13 Feb 2005 (PST)

POD explaining lack of farm names as family names

In most parts of Norway *here*, the heir of a farm has never in recorded history carried a patronymic, but rather the name of the farm. I suspect the same might be true of other Scandinavian countries. So what happened? Where is the POD? A possibility suggested to me by a person who prefers to stay off the IB project is that the Black Plague never happened — or that it struck Norway much softer than *here* (where more than half died), so that we have lots of fiefs/tenant farmers that have to use patronymics. There would still have to be some free farmers, but possibly everyone ascended to nobility somehow?

Comments? Arj 18:02, 12 Aug 2005 (PDT)

Eeh gads! I just re-read the article and it occured to me that I had confused "peasant estates" (or more accurately, free farmers) with actual "peasants" (or tenant farmers). I'll correct that.

BTW, the article itself does not say that there is a lack of farm names. In fact, it says that many non-noble names derive from places of residence, including farms. It names Danish examples. Perhaps you can add Norwegian ones.

As for the plague; I think the plague hit Norway just as hard *there* as *here*. For one thing, it helps explain the original union with Denmark. Another thing is that I'd very much like to have the uniquely Nordic fourth estate — "bondestanden" ("the peasant estate") — to also exist in IB as well. The plague would explain its existance *there* as well. I'm also working on a modernized version of Sweden's parliamentary constitution from the 18th century wherein there are four chambers, each for the four estates of the realm, including the peasant estate. So just as Britain today still has the House of Lords and the House of Commons, the Scandinavian Realm will still have the four chambers for the four estates of the realm.

Boreanesia 23:36, 13 Aug 2005 (PDT)