Talk:Judaism

re: Atmaranos

If they're Sefaradim who moved East instead of West in 1492, they should be placed with the rest of the Iberian-derived Jewish communities in the "Babylonian Tradition" list. Unless they adopted Judean traditions when they settled in the Balkans, which would then make them a "Judean Tradition". But if their customs and rituals are more or less indistinguishable from the Sefaradim of Mueva Sefarad, i'd think they should be listed as a Sefaradic subgroup, changing Sefarad (Iberia; today Mueva Sefarad and Parts of Morocco) to Sefarad (Iberia; today Mueva Sefarad, Atmar and Parts of Morocco).

Steg. Boroparkpyro 23:29, 5 Jul 2005 (PDT)

The Atmaranos are indeed Sefaradim who moved east, but their culture is rather Judean - one might almost say (making a comparison with *here* and *now*) quite Sabra. To quote from the article:

"They tend to regard the citizens of Mueva Sefarad as excessively mystical and tied to traditions, adopting instead a more rational-liberal-elitist stance (though less so than German Jews).

Present-day Atmaranos affirm their group identity - especially in contrast to Muevasefaradíes [...]"

Kyrmse 11:51, 6 Jul 2005 (PDT)

Sorry, i fail to see how that makes them sabra-like. In my experience, Sabra culture is defined as a harshly assertive and attitude-full exterior with a soft and caring interior (hence the sabra cactus fruit metaphor).

Judean vs. Babylonian tradition is the question of where does their Jewish legal rulings come from - the Babylonian or Judean (here: Palestinian/Jerusalem) Talmud? Switching alliegences would entail a complete revamping of the religious lifestyle.

When you say that they see themselves as rational-liberal-elitist, as opposed to mystical and traditional, do you mean that on the whole the Atmaranos follow a [Reform] or [Conservative] (Historical-Critical) type of Jewish sect/denomination/movement/philosophy?

Steg 68.161.200.30 13:26, 6 Jul 2005 (PDT)

oops forgot to log in. yeah that was me. Boroparkpyro 13:30, 6 Jul 2005 (PDT)