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Welcome

Good to see you here as well!

Before you get to ahead of yourself: Nik takes care of Greece, and you have to stay within the vision he's established. That means it can't change from a kingdom to a republic, and the info Nik's established regarding the current king and the wartime history and all that has to stay the way it is. QSS, after all. Benkarnell 19:05, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

It's changing to a Empire (the Byzantine Empire to be exact). Did I put republic? oops.

If I remember he wasn't too interested. Can you meet back at Yahoo, I'll try to drag that up. Hopefully Misterxeight 19:09, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

> > The wiki mentions something like that. Does anyone > > know who takes > > care of Greece? > I'm the current caretaker, but I'm not that dedicated > to it. I'm willing to cede it. I was considering > having him do so.

From [1] Misterxeight 19:22, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

User:Nik. You can contact him on the Wiki or on Conculture. For now, I'd create a new page for the Greek Republic of Ethiopia or whatever the official name was, and that way everyone can see exactly what the new material is without having to sort through it all. Just a suggestion. Benkarnell 19:28, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Right. Guess I'll revert my edits then. Misterxeight 19:29, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Something went wrong. When I reverted my edits, everything dissapeared! Please Ben, can you save the page? I'm scared I ruined it. Misterxeight 19:31, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Will you PLEASE learn to put "IB" in the subject line for posts about IB in the conculture group? It is soooooo simple. This has been mentioned sooooooo many times! And you NEVER DO IT!!!!!!!!! Zahir 23:03, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Byzantine Empire

That's probably good. For very, very deep reasons, the re-proclamation of the Byzantine Empire could potentially have big repercussions for Kemr and other countries. That's what got Nik and me fantasizing about Great War III when you first brought it up. So while it's still a possiblity, as the page says, it has to be discussed, preferably on Conculture. Benkarnell 19:55, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

I have a way to bypass that.
Greece gives Kemr the title of the Byzantine Empire of the West, they egt the East. Plus maybe some "gifts for the new empire to send them on their way" might be given out also...

Misterxeight 19:58, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

I'd have to say that Kemr would probably be slightly amused by the offer -- but in reality, the title is not rightly Greece's to give anyone. They might say: "you lot lost it in 1453, which, after 476, left the whole shebang to US. Therefore, you can't properly give the Terruin what is his by rights." As for "gifts" what would upstart Greece have to give one of the most powerful and influential polities in the world? (The SR being the other great power.) Don't mean to sound jingoistic, but Greece has only been around since the late 1800s and all.
I might also note that the Kemrese rulers have shown considerable restraint and deference to Tradition in a) not taking the title of King until rather late (still considered themselves vassals of Constantinople) and b) not taking the title Emperor at all. I think Kemrese tradition largely involves a proper restoration of the emperor; so I suspect that if anyone bestows a title on anyone else, it will the Terruin who might condescend to return it to Constantinople. And it may be that the Terruin will simply sit on the title and let the Byzantine throne go vacant. If some Greek king wants to style himself "Byzantine Emperor", no one's likely to take the claim seriously. Elemtilas 01:45, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Ok then...
What if as Elementilas points out that they give the title. I was thinking a lowly senator from somewhere around Constantinople who has the name Palaiologos is claimed by his followers to the last descendant of Constantine XI Palaiologos. Kemr has some artifact of Constantine XI in surprisingly good condition, and DNA tests are made.

He is found out to be a descendant, and Kemr gives the title of Emperor of NEW BYZANTIUM. Thus there is a balance. Misterxeight 02:00, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello? Anyone want to comment? Misterxeight 02:10, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Yeah: it's only been ten minutes! Take it easy! ;)
There's no benefit in the Kemrese crown bestowing such a new title. I'm sure there are some factions within Kemr who are widdling their britches over an heir to the imperial throne being discovered and all the old dreams of a restored empire coming true... This is the sort of thing that comprises Kemrese fiction. Black airships and secret ops, restoring the lost throne -- all of that is the stuff people suck up in six-penny glossy pulp fiction books! No one takes it seriously.
I think that the nail in the imperial coffin was set and driven home in 1460 when the princes of Kemr became crowned kings. There's a reason why they restrained themselves before and didn't claim kingship: they respected the ancient tradition of the Roman emperor. They did this because the Kemrese think of themselves as, well, Latins or Romans in some fashion and certainly as the last inheritors of Rome. Once it became clear that Constantinople was not going to be recaptured, there was no reason to continue the tradition of subordination to the emperor, so the princes became kings in their own right. I'm not entirely sure why they didn't call themselves emperors, but that might be because they didn't have the whole of Britain. (Just speculation, there.)
Between 1460 and 2008, the kings of Kemr have been proper sovereigns over their own land (Terruin literally means sovereign of the land); to relinquish the title back to Greece will mean having to step back to being princes again. To offer Greece a fake title would be dishonourable to both countries. That Greece managed to free itself from Turkish rule and recapture the ancient City of Constantine is a wonder and the people who accomplished it are honoured in Greece and Kemr alike -- but it is Greeks who are thus honoured, not Byzantines, not Romans.
If the Greeks want to reinvent themselves as New "Byzantines", that's their own business. If they want to have a new "Byzantine" emperor, that's also their own business. History understands that the claim to the title is a little empty and rather presumptuous. Elemtilas 05:25, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
Why is it empty? I'm not understanding why some saxons think they're entitled to the Byzantine Empire!!! It's Greece. Oh w/ you saying there's chilly relationships between Greece/Whales & England, why? Plus I mean the caretakers and not Diana. And (I know I shoulnd't begin a sentence with and but I'm tired) in RL, England owns 2 plots of land that have deemed military bases. Why not in IB, Greece gets those military bases and England gets the rest?
The English have nothing to do with it. Here's the deal: the Roman Empire comprised territory from Britain to Bactria, Morocco to Arabia. As time went on, we all know that the imperial center shifted from Rome to Constantinople, and eventually Rome itself was lost to the barbarians. More time passed and Constantinople itself was lost to the barbarians. What was left after 1453? Ahhh... the Roman province of Britain! This would be the territory that becomes the Kingdom of Kemr. As the last Roman territory left standing, the title "Emperor of the Romans" goes to Kemr by default. The Kemrese kings, for their own reasons, did not choose to bear the title officially. Much more time passes: "Greece" is lost to history, being Ottoman territory. Sure, everyone cheered when independence was gained and made official -- but what actually became independent? It wasn't the "Byzantine Empire"! It was Greece -- Hellas!
As for chilly relations: Greece invaded sovereign English territory not once but twice since it gained independence from Turkey. That's generally considered Bad Form. As for Greece being the Byzantine Empire: history sees things a little differently *there*. Greece lost it in 1453; the traditions transfered to and have continued uninterrupted since in Kemr.
What "2 plots of land" are you talking about? In Cyprus? Why would England grant Greece *anything* in Cyprus (except a raspberry with two finger salute!), seeing as Greece invaded the thing twice and King Paul had to issue a formal apology to the Cypriots for the trouble he caused them? Elemtilas 19:07, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
But that's the thing. They're not playing by the Colonies Without Colonialism rule. Plus who in the name of God decided to make Greece evil in GWII? Anyway so can change it to the "Second Byzantine Empire"? That way in conflicts with nothing. How about the DNA test theory? Misterxeight 19:11, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
Greece can call itself "Second Byzantine Empire" if it wants to. It can call itself whatever it likes. I think it would just be an example of the present unrest and political instablitiy you're working on injecting into modern Greece. Well, apparently, it's been restive and a little unstable since the start! It's history in GWII and Cyprus bear that out! Elemtilas 19:46, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
May I ask you one more favor, Elemetils? Misterxeight 19:57, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
Of course! You may ask anything. You may not get exactly what you want; you may get more than you want! Elemtilas 20:02, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Why a New Byzantine Empire?

I need you help me create the Second Byzantine Empire, put it on the map, have them settle their differences, even get some land! I can't do it alone. Misterxeight 20:04, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, as I said: I have no problem with Paul II declaring himself emperor. I don't think he'll get the old title back from Kemr (as I said, there could be constitutional reprecussions there; and they'd rather keep the status quo rather than upset the present system). I might suggest that rather than look to the decadent and ultimately failed Byzantine Empire for his inspiration, why not look to Alexander the Great and his absolutely brilliant and dynamic empire building for inspiration?
I might suggest either "Hellenic Empire" or "Alexandrine Empire". Leave "Byzantine" to the remnants of faded Rome -- take up a truly Greek imperialism and go with Alexander! It seems to me that you're interested in making Greece into a power to be reckoned with, reconquering ancient Greek lands and all. I think the imagery of a dynamic and conquering national hero would be more appropriate to the militarism and attitude of present day Greece in IB. Just stay away from Cyprus! ;)) And keep in mind that this scenario could take years to play out -- don't expect an empire to spring up overnight!
What do you think of that? I certainly think you have a lot of good ideas. It's a matter of getting them to fit what we already know about the place!

By the way, which countries do you possess control over?... Misterxeight 20:04, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

See User:Elemtilas -- I watch over IB as a whole. Specific countries I have an interest in are Dunein, a province of Kemr; Ter Mair, a province of the NAL-SLC; the Papal States; and the Commonwealth of Nations. I'm also interested in Religion and some other odds and ends.
Hmmm not using the sucessor of Roman culture to represent new Greece and use a Greek one!? That's brilliant. The Hellenic Empire it is. It'll fit better into a Greek colony in India I guess :D. Anyway Paul II is a filthy foreigner *Oldenburgs* *cough* *cough*. He's going to find out he came down with a nasty case of liver cancer. Anyway rewind 3 years and you have Constantine Palaiologos who formed the Imperial Party of Greece. They're represented in the Senate and the new Senator is eventually voted to be the next President. He changes the title to Emperor and voila! Your ideas come in, we get some military bases somewhere, some colonies, make some alliances and boom, you have the Golden Age of Greece. Oh I was looking at alt-history and someone invented Greek Buddhism, without any explanations as to how this happened. This could have actually happened. Byzantine Era a priest whose name elludes me still translated the woks of Buddha into Greek. He calls Buddha and his guardian Saints. What if he actually converted to Buddhism, got some follwers, and make a fusion religion of Buddhism and Eastern Orthodoxy?! When Constantinople fell in 1204, they went into hiding because let's face it, the Crusaders weren't the most tolerant people in Europe. Maybe recently they came out of hiding. wow my hand's crampin up now :) 20:46, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
Hellenic Empire, then! European royalty are all foreigners: they're a rather mixed bag. After all, Prince Phillip (England) *here* is Greek!
As for Greek Buddhism: as I mentioned on Conculture, there is a real form of Hellenised Buddhism. See Grecco-Buddhism for a description of what it involved. Of course, it's long passed into the dust of history, but it seems to have had an influence on the Buddhism that got passed on the China and the East. Elemtilas 21:43, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

SS. Iodasaph and Barlaam

Is he even in IB and if so, is he Greek? I've seen tat one that wasn't the one I meant. That was a fusion of pagan Greek/Buddhism, a certain saint actually transcribed the works o Buddha into Greek in the Byzantine Era Misterxeight 21:54, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Don't know about anyone translating Buddhist texts into Greek in medieval Greece -- entirely possible, I just don't know if it happened *here* or not. You might be thinking of St. Iodasaph. That story has a long history; the version known in the west was written ultimately by a Georgian monk in Constantinople; and is indeed a Christianisation of the Buddha's story. It'll be something to look into! -- certainly for the World, if not IB. I'm sure he wouldn't long remain a saint, once they figure out who he actually is!
The pair were on the Orthodox calendar for August 26 and on the Catholic calendar for November 27. Elemtilas 02:38, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
You found the story!!!! I think... Yay!!! Oh did you get my message on my small world?

Misterxeight 02:50, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I was thinking an underground fusion religion of E.Orthodoxy & Buddhism, or one that came up in recent years. I'll call it Greco-Buddhism!!!  Byzantine flag2.png Mr.X8 Talk Contribs13:58, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
Christian-Buddhist fusions are not unknown either *here* or *there*. The Religion of Light is seemingly one such, and I think is associated with the Assyrian Orthodox Church *there*. Elemtilas 21:27, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

You Draw

what image is it you need ? --Marc Pasquin 16:43, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

A propraganda pic of Alexander the Great for Greece's page. Haven't thiught of a catchy phrase though. Once I'll get it, I'll translate it. Unless, would IB prefer it in Enlgish? Misterxeight 17:49, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

A Greek propaganda picture would undoubtedly be in Greek, Unless the Greeks would prefer to be addressed in English by their own government, which I sincerely doubt. ;) —IJzeren Jan Uszkiełtu? 18:41, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Coming Soon

The Eagle Reborn

National Anthem of the Hellenic Empire

Oh Glorious Byzantium, we give homage to thee.

All I got so far. Feel free to make suggestions, I was never good with music. Misterxeight 00:41, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Greek Royals

I was wondering if perhaps some member of the former Greek royal family might have intermarried with the royal family of Muntenia? I was especially looking for spouses for Elena I or her father. Have you any ideas or preferences in that regard? All I know for certain is that the last King before Paul II of Greece came to power was Constantine II (XIII). My own thought is that if Constantine II had a sister or aunt she might have married Constantin I and thus her child would already be a monarch in her own right. Perhaps a sister to the Oldenburg King George II? Zahir 18:45, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

The foreigners might. The new Dynasty, no. However C8's wife Alexandra will now be his stepmom, so C8 needs a wife, maybe with a Muntenian Royal?
Who is C8? Or do you mean Constantine XIII? That is "thirteenth" not "eighth." Constantine the Eighth would be VIII. And remember, you cannot change what is QSS. The 2000 coup must have taken place, with Paul II taking the throne the then-monarch. Zahir 20:17, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Constantine Palaiologos VIII, the guy we made. He's the VIII because of course he's actually descended from the last Emperor, Constantine XI and he was crowned emperor. The last Dynasties were halfbloods and kings. Misterxeight 20:27, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Now I'm really lost. There are three Constantines we know of:
  • Constantine XII (C12), who ruled between 1913 and 1922;
  • Constantine XIII (C13), who ruled between 1964 and 2000;
  • the young guy who recently had himself crowned emperor. Logically, he would be Constantine XIV (C14). Although he might have started renumbering; after all, emperor is not the same thing as king.
So, who is who? —IJzeren Jan Uszkiełtu? 20:32, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

He did renumber. You have to remember, this new dynasty sees the ones between the fall of the Empire and now as halfbreed imposters. They don't even consider the other dynasties real leaders of Greece, not even Greeks at all. Misterxeight 20:40, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I'll buy that. But then, given this whole DNA story, this would make him a halfbreed imposter, too! After all, his ascendence to the throne was justified by him being a descendent of Constantine XII (or XIII), right? —IJzeren Jan Uszkiełtu? 20:45, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes the last emperor of the byzantine empire was constantine XI. Wow he wasn't the sixth, he was the eleventh. Ooh... Wow I should've read better. Misterxeight 20:49, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Okay then. I'm still confused, though. So let's take it from the start:
EMPERORS OF THE BYZANTINE EMPIRE:
  • a whole lot of Constantines, the last one being Constantine XI
KINGS OF GREECE (Oldenburg):
  • George I (1863-1913) (son of Archking Christian IX of the Scandinavian Realm)
  • Constantine XII* (first reign) (1913-1917)
  • Alexander IV (1917-1920)
  • Constantine XII (second reign) (1920-1922)
  • George II (1922-1947)
  • Paul I (1947-1964)
  • Constantine XIII (1964-2000)
KINGS OF GREECE (Theodopoulos):
  • Paul II (2000-2008)
EMPERORS OF GREECE (Palaiologos):
  • Constantine XIV
Is that right, thus far? The last one if our eloquent, young and enthousiastic friend who has an article under the name Emperor Constantine Palaiologos XIII, right? If I understood you correctly, he is not an Oldenburg or something, but by means of a DNA test managed to prove that he is a descendant of the last Constantine, who was emperor of the Byzantine Emperor. He justified his ascendency to the throne by that fact, and by marrying the duchess of Sparta. Is that correct? Well, obviously the Greek kings simply continued the numeration that was used by the Byzantine Emperors. Logically, our emperor would by Constantine XIV. If he'd really make a problem of his predecessors being foreigners and insist on a renumeration, he would become Constantine XII.
Is this more or less what you had in mind? If not, where did I go wrong? Any comments/questions? —IJzeren Jan Uszkiełtu? 09:06, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes. Except he was originally crowned XIV, BUT he gave this title to his father with himself taking XIII. His father is just Constantine XII, the title is hollow with no power at all.  Byzantine flag2.png Mr.X8 Talk Contribs13:58, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, an odd step! So Constantine XIII was first succeeded by Paul II, and subsequently by... Constantine XIII. Odd indeed, but not impossible. One thing puzzles me, though. Why would he number his father Constantine XII, since the latter was neither king nor emperor, but just a middle-class guy in Athens? Just a gesture? But then, he probably also had a granddad and/or a great-granddad named Constantine. So he might as well have started numbering from the beginning of his family tree, himself ending up as Constantine XXXIIJ or something. —IJzeren Jan Uszkiełtu? 17:53, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
So the new Emperor is in fact a descendant of the last Byzantine Emperor? As I mentioned elsewhere, that is gonna be mighty tricky to prove unless there is a fair amount of tissue left from an undisputed direct descendant of Constantine XI, preserved almost certainly in alcohol. Not impossible, though.
Methinks you need to make a clear declaration that the new Empire of the Hellenes considers itself legally a continuation of Byzantine Empire and so numbers its Emperors from that period. Thus the monarchs of the Greek Kingdom are numbered as the royals of a completely different state. Does that make sense? Zahir 18:22, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes. Shall we begin? Have you thought of who you want married to Elana? I could get you some names if you're not familiar with Greek ones. Misterxeight 23:03, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I've already written up Elena's mother, who is an Oldenburg. Elena's husband is going to be a Xliponian nobleman.
When you say "Shall we begin?" what do you want me to do? Zahir 02:22, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm thinking we should work on Elana's mother, the Oldenburg. "clear declaration that the new Empire of the Hellenes considers itself legally a continuation of Byzantine Empire and so numbers its Emperors from that period. Thus the monarchs of the Greek Kingdom are numbered as the royals of a completely different state. " can come next. Misterxeight 02:27, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Her name is Christiana Oldenburg. Zahir 04:19, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

You might want to check up the proposed arms I've designed for Paul II of Greece. Thanks! Zahir 15:42, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry it took me so long to reply. I saw the CoAs of the Theodopolous' and Paul's person one but with the exception of the owls and some could argue the blue color scheme, it's so Western European. That's not a bad thing, that would just be a bit of a let down for the Greek people. Misterxeight 23:57, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I was basing it upon the actual Oldenburg Arms in our own history. From what I could gather Paul II isn't really very Greek and I thought his arms should reflect that. The first and fourth quarters are Oldenburg while the second and third are an original design, intended to look Western rather than Greek. Does that make sense? I can change it if you think something else would be better.
Hope you are safe. Zahir 01:00, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

No, no I totally agree and like the idea. What I'm saying is if I was but a lowly Greek peasent in IB Greece I'd be pretty PO'd that for 200 years me and my family were ruled by Germans. Misterxeight 01:03, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Messages

The messages I send aren't showing up at the discussion room in Yahoo. Does anyone see my messages? Misterxeight 01:52, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I saw three when I checked just now. Zahir 03:42, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, Zahir. Misterxeight 17:44, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

League of the Pontic & Meditteranean Peoples

There we go

I was wondering what kind of relations the new Constantine might try to forge with the Romanian Federation including Oltenia, which of course has some high quality airships and aircraft available for purchase? Also, ancient Dacia (Romania) was part of the Byzantine Empire. Plus there's a friendly relationship between the Empress and Oltenia's heir's fiancee. Zahir 18:24, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh God Zahir I'm so sorry. I out it on the list, but I forgot them on the map. I can make a new one. Plus it would be very good. Misterxeight 19:48, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Libya

Seeing as how Greece (from the maps and some minor back history I was able to dredge up) was a colonial power in Libya (condominium between Greece/Two Sicilies), perhaps there might be a sizeable Greek minority presence, perhaps enough to be a source of interest to the Imperialist Party of Greece... Seth 06:09 2 August 2008

I would think so too, but Theophilus has been dormant for a very long time and since he is the caretaker of it, I can't act on anything to do with Libya. Misterxeight 15:29, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

League of Meditteranean & Pontic Peoples

I keep trying to make a page, but the page keeps coming up "League of Meditteranean". I created a new page except I named it the "Leage of Pontic & Meditteranean Peoples" but the page just calls itself "League of Pontic". I tried to ask for help on the first page's talk page, but when I saved my message, it still did not have any of my writing on it. Misterxeight 02:54, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

The system handling page titles doesn't like the "&" symbol. I had the same thing happen with one of my articles - Turkestani and Uygur Transcriptions, I think it was - and had to rename it with "and" instead of "&". The old article still appears in the list, but comes up as a blank file. If I could find a way to delete the unwanted extra version with the ampersand, I'd do it. Geoff

Check Greek

Is this correct? Benkarnell 23:37, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Yep, perfect. I checked, my mom checked it. How'd you get it?

Just one little thing. Very few times is the Russian style cros used. We tend to use a more flowery, Byzantine style one. Oh would it not be red for A.)Communism and if they want to portray it as a more Byzantine type Greek thing. Misterxeight 23:57, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia, moving between different language versions for "Greek people", "Chicago", and "Tour de France" (for the Greek version of "of").
I can take away the headbar on the cross if it's less likely. The blue and white colors, and the equal-armed cross, were taken from the IB.Greek flag at the time. These guys were really just proud Greeks using a provocative banner that would make people angry. Benkarnell 00:03, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Well it is used, and that would make it look more like a Latin Cross, the the bar should stay. Now are these guys realy communists or are they just someone like me, who would joke around at innapropiate times? Misterxeight 00:07, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

There were a few people in Chicago's Greek community who would qualify as real efeseyists. As for the actual makers of this banner, either they were in fact efeseyists (who knew this banner would stir up anger), or else they were using the efeseyist images but adding their own meaning. It wouldn't be unlike the way some people *here* use pictures of Che Guevara (or even Nazi symbols) in ways different from what they were originally intended for. In this case, it would be "Greek pride" combined with a general sense of leftist radicalism, but not necessarily anything a real Nea Illenician would recognize. So: definitely not a joke, but not necessarily the real thing, either. Benkarnell 00:59, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
Maybe I should be more clear: I seem to have written two contradictory things about the "agitators." I based the idea on the Haymarket riot of 1886. Then, the boogeymen were anarchists from Germany. There were German anarchists, they were one component of the German immigrant labor movement in Chicago, but other people thought they were much more powerful and dangerous than they actually were. That's also how I imagine the efeseyists. There were a few hard-core efeseyists, but many more sort of appropriated the imagery of efeseyism and used it to express leftism/socialism along with Greek pride. They would not have thought of themselves as Communists or as Byzantinists/Imperialists (which movement, I believe, didn't start picking up steam until the 70s/80s?). They knew the banner would provoke and that's why they used it, and to a certain extent they admired what the banner stood for without really understanding it. Benkarnell 19:46, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

The Caesar descends upon the Navel

Say, before "last month" becomes "several months ago," did we ever reach a consensus via the e-mail? Can I go ahead and write news report(s) about the Imperial Honeymoon? (At least, from the local point of view) Benkarnell 20:45, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh yeah, sure. Just what gift would the chief want? Misterxeight 20:59, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

League; Name Unknown

I want a solid economic League and alliance but I'm having a problem naming it.

  • If I go with the Pontic or Black Sea League-That secludes Ethiopia, Egypt, Libya, Judea, and Xliponia.
  • The Mediterranean League-That secludes all of the Black Sea countries, Russia, and Ethiopia.
  • The Hellenic League-No one would join it.

I also have some nations that have been tied to the Greek Royalty as observers. Kemr, Ireland, the Isle of Man (Mann, Manx?), Armorica, and England as observers as well. Misterxeight 23:22, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Mysteries of Typing Elucidated: No.34

How come sometimes when you go back in a sentence to insert a letter into a word sometimes as you type, the letter after it is deleted? Misterxeight

This happens when you've got the keyboard set to "typeover" rather than "insert". Making sure that key is set right should avoid the problem. Me, I think it's an inefficient key and have never (intentionally) used the typeover function. Elemtilas 01:46, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Now I have to ask another extremely stupid question; would you be able to tell me where I can find the typeover function of my keyboard or computer? Misterxeight 04:58, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Depends on what kind of keyboard you're using. On a laptop keyboard, you'll probably have a key marked "insert" somewhere in the upper right corner. On one of the big standard keyboards, just to the right of main section and above the cursor arrows you'll find a block of (usually) six keys. Here you'll find the "page up", "page down", "home" and "end" keys. You'll also find the "insert" and "delete" keys. Just type some text and play around with the "insert" key. You'll soon figure out whether you're set for typing over existing text or inserting new letters. There is no indicator light telling you which mode you're in, though most word processors have an on screen indicator. Word Perfect explicitly tells you "typeover" or "insert" down in the lower left corner; M$ Word (never one for ease of use!) lights up an obscure indicator marked "OVR" down at the bottom of the screen for when you are in typeover mode.Elemtilas 14:30, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Found it, thanks so much, Padraic! Misterxeight 16:15, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Felipia

It was not uncommon in the 1600s for governments to exterminate non-conformist religious groups, which is what happened with the Huguenots, and what cased the 30 Years Wars that destroyed germany and set the stage for the later Prussians and Hitler. That's why I reverted it. BoArthur 17:28, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh, sorry. I interpreted the message wrong, I was only going for a grammatical rework, not a history change. If you don't mind, I'd like to try again. Misterxeight 17:41, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Crusades

Aside from the general outline that's been mentioned in the histories of Mueva Sefarad on the one hand, and Judea, Lebanon & the rest of the Middle East on the other, there hasn't been much developed about the Crusades. The Druze were obviously on the non-Christian side, with the Muslims and the Jews; i would assume that as *here* the Maronite Christians joined the side of the Christian European Crusaders. In order to preserve the idea of a cosmopolitan, tolerant modern Lebanon, though, it may be important to get the Maronites on the side of the Native Levantines and away from the Europeans at some point late in the Crusader period — if the Maronites stay on the European side the whole time, there may be too much historical "bad blood". Maybe the Europeans tried to assimilate the Maronites, instead of recognizing them as legitimate as *here*? Otherwise, we could just say that everything came together either during the Ottoman conquest, which forced all Levantines (Jews, Druze, Muslims, Christians) to fight together against a common foreign enemy, or possibly even later, during the break-up of the Ottoman Empire, for the same reason. Steg, a.k.a. Boroparkpyro 02:08, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Ah, that is a problem when the main theme of IB is tolerance being followed by fusion cultures. Your idea of all of the non-Turkish Levantines fighting together (I remember reading somewhere the last Crusader State fell in the 1500s, the time of the Ottomans rising up) would IMO work quite well, whereas in IB Christianity (where every branch of Christianity seems to be very friendly to each other) actually being intolerant where in our world actual conquerors from Europe respected non-Europeans? But then again if the IB Crusader States did decide to force non-Catholics into their mold, this could be one of the numerous reasons why the actual laity of Orthodoxy seem to be fearful of a union with Old Rome; they don't want to be forced into the mold. Ben and Padraic I believe told me that only one man has dabbled in the Crusades and since he's been gone for years, there really hasn't been any fleshing out. Maybe the group would permit you and I to write up a proposal. Misterxeight 02:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Ivan Kuskov

I wondered if anyone would take pity on Ivan. :) BoArthur 16:21, 26 March 2014 (PDT)

and you're not new. You're old guard at this point. BoArthur 16:23, 26 March 2014 (PDT)

I'm so sorry about that! I thought that your account had been compromised by a spammer, for what it's worth; please forgive me! It really was convincing spam, though; you're absolutely right, ha!

Can you believe that it's been six years for me, though? I can't, I really just can't. I really want to get back into the swing of things, but I do need a bit of guidance. Is there a list of what is QSS for Greece so I can figure out what was actually implemented in order to get back to work? Retirement starts to get boring after awhile, it really does. Misterxeight 07:41, 2 April 2014 (PDT)

Nea Illenicia

What would be the location of Nea Illenicia? Is it on the southern coast of Riu de L'Argent? Or is it inland, coming close to the mouth of the Rio de la Plata? Juan Martin Velez Linares 9:27, 16 September 2015 (CDT)

I expect he'll be making a proposal on Conculture in the next couple of days. We were chatting about this earlier tonight, actually. BoArthur 19:56, 16 September 2015 (PDT)

Yes, here is our collective proposal Proposal for Nea Illenicia's Borders.png. Misterxeight 10:42, 17 September 2015 (PDT)

Ottomans, the Middle East and Greece

Looks like we've had a number of people work a great deal with that region. I would suggest that you reach out to User:Pedromoderno among others to make sure that something cohesive comes together, especially if you're advocating changes in the Ottoman Empire. BoArthur 15:23, 22 September 2015 (PDT)


I just responded on Facebook, but that's great news! I'll write to Mr. Pedro straight away. Misterxeight 16:43, 22 September 2015 (PDT)

Aragon, Castile, Portugal

I see you're interested in these areas. Well, so am I! Might you want to collaborate with me on something? Juan Martin Velez Linares 15:38, 23 September 2015 (CDT)


Sure. I'm mostly interested in Aragonese, and I'm of the mind that it should be bigger in IB than is believed at the moment, and I've always wanted to go more in-depth with the post-1453 Greek/Byzantine Diaspora of Aragon. I like Portugal, too because I know a little bit (I used to know Spanish but I've since long forgot it unless my back is against the wall, like the time I was in Rome by myself and no one around me knew English), and I had know idea that Portugal had possession of Macao "there," so I'd love to flesh that out (I'm a Cantonophile, too), as well as Goa et al and whatever's left of the Portuguese E. Indies. Castile interests me less with every passing year, but I'd love to hear your ideas for the country. I've done some reading on Al Andalus; perhaps there are some Muslims left in Spain "there"? Misterxeight 21:30, 23 September 2015 (PDT)

Hmm. TBH I was thinking the same thing about Aragonese too! I should note that I have already conlanged up Catalan in IB; it's a conlang most closely related to Narbonosc and Aragonese, primarily based on elements of Narbonosc and *here*'s Catalan. As for Portugal, I myself have some plans for Macau (indeed, it was me and General Tiu who came up with it!) as well as Portuguese India. Might we combine ideas? I'm quite the fan of collaborations. As for Castile, most of my ideas are admittedly focused more on the American half, but I still would like to work out some things about European Castile, like how bloody Cadiz ended up the largest city in the European part. (How can you fit a large city on a small peninsula???) And this idea of a Muslim minority in Spain sounds quite interesting; might we run it past Messrs. Hicken, Sasometany and Brown first? Perhaps a Crypto-Muslim community still living in the mountains of Andalucia? Juan Martin Velez Linares 9:34, 24 September 2015 (CDT)

I was going to propose that Murcia, when it's retaken from Castille, is thoroughly placed under Aragonese control, so that its local dialect merged into Aragonese (probably as a pretty unique one), which means that Aragonese-speakers finally live on the coast other than in Barcelona, which is said to be half Aragonese-speaking and half Catalan-speaking "there."

I'd like to work on the Portuguese East, sure. I have no ideas though, other than Macanese is a thriving language other than like here. I love this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmPYVbKWF70. Hell it'd be cool if the Portuguese government made Macanese an official language there so that it can be used in the local government, and if the Isidorian Rite Catholics out there use it to celebrate Divine Liturgy.

I haven't though much about the Spanish Americas; that's not really my forte. That fact about Cádiz I think shouldn't be canon because you're absolutely right, unless Cadiz just annexes more land around the Cádiz province. I think Sevilla would be a much better city worthy of that title.

If there are no more Muslims in Castile because it's canon, then I'd like to at least propose that the last region to have Muslims in our world, Alpujarras, has a Mozarabic or even Arabic-speaking population left. That could be fun. Misterxeight 22:20, 25 September 2015 (PDT)

Orthodoxy in Corea--Response

Esteemed M. Leganopoulos,

You are absolutely correct in that I was in the wrong in this situation. I should have asked for your blessings before I put my ideas forward, and I should not have proceeded blindly into implementing the path I thought things should take. I will admit that I have gotten a bit reckless lately, but I will make sure to reign it in in the future. I am absolutely sorry for hurting your feelings, and I sincerely mean it when I say that such an incident should not have happened and will not happen in the future. As for learning things the hard way, no harm, no foul. I honestly do not consider this to be anything too serious; it is only a natural step in working on uncharted territory when two individuals have differing ideas. Let it be known that there is no bad blood between us, OK?

Now on to my concerns about Russian, rather than Greek, Orthodoxy in Corea. In my own sincere opinion, it seems rather difficult for Russian Orthodoxy to establish itself very much in Corea not because of distance, but for the simple reason that Japan and Russia hated each other during that time period in IB (and heck, here as well). According to the Corean Client Kingdom page, Japan initiated a purge of Russians and pro-Russian officials in Corea in 1903, setting off the Russo-Japanese War. While the first successful Russian priests arrived in the country in 1900 *here*, Wikipedia states that the first Orthodox church in Korea wasn't built until 1903--exactly when the purge of Russians would have started in Corea. Certainly Orthodox priests would not have been passed over in this purge. I thought that having Greeks (or Lebanese, Syrians, Jordanians, Greek Americans...) step in right after the failure of Russian conversion attempts, being allowed in by Japan on account of being Not Russian, and successfully starting an Orthodox tradition in Corea would fit better into the political climate of the times and would be willingly accepted by you; perhaps I should have mentioned that I envisioned Greek conversions as happening right after the Russians were expelled. Now, perhaps there are other ways to give Corea a Russian Orthodox contingent; perhaps the initial attempt at setting up an Orthodox Church in Korea in 1897 succeeded in *there*'s Corea; perhaps native priests were ordained earlier who did not particulary care for the Russians. If you want, we can discuss this to figure out what the best plan of action would be. Hopefully we can reach a compromise over this soon and have both of us be happy with the results.

Also, if you don't mind, could you show me a bit of this project you've been working on? I'll make sure to work within your wishes, but I'd like to have an idea of just what they are.

Thank you, Juan Martin Velez Linares 15:37, 19 October 2015 (CDT)

Weighing in ... I think that in this case Juan's interpreted Christina fairly well. I'm not averse to there being Russians now, but I think with the current state of East Primorye things are still tense with the Russians, and so the other branches of Orthodoxy might be faring better in Corea. Is there a reason you'd prefer to have it be Russian Orthodox rather than any of the other varieties?
And to stave of future misunderstandings, I'd recommend putting the {{proposal}} tag on the section you're working on, or put it into the talk page temporarily before moving it to the "live" page. Thoughts, esteemed amigos? BoArthur 15:08, 20 October 2015 (PDT)

Asimoupoli / Bandes Dessinees Trois-Rivieres

Take a look. I've added something I'd like your input on. BoArthur 11:14, 12 November 2015 (PST)

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