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Hi! You follow IB better than I do, so besides a sysop I am also making you a bureaucrat, so that you can make whatever sysops you see fit. (Go to Special:Makesysop to do so. No special notice is sent to the user, so you might wish to inform them you have done so.) For a guide on using sysop powers, see Wikipedia:Administrators' how-to guide. —Muke Tever | 14:27, 6 Feb 2005 (PST)

Wiki Graphic


I love it, Jan. Looks great! BoArthur 09:21, 7 Feb 2005 (PST)

Thank you! It's still far from perfect though. I think we should ask Marc if he can come up with a better adaptation of his original picture. But for the time being, I think this will do. Cheers. IJzeren Jan 10:45, 7 Feb 2005 (PST).

Pays Lointains

Please see my message in the talk section. :) BoArthur n/m I see you answered in the summary. BoArthur

DeleteNational Topics?

With cataloguing, I believe this is obsolete. Should we delete this page?

Happy New Year, Jan! We horses (Nik and Me) wish you a Happy New Year! BoArthur

Re:National Topics: Yes, I think this page (and a number of others of the same type as well). However, I would like it to stay one more day or so, because frankly, it can still be helpful in cataloguing.
Re:Happy New Year: Happy New Year to you guys too... but, eh... what new year? :) What've you been drinking? :)) But seriously, if you are the horses, what does that make me??
Cheers, IJzeren Jan 00:08, 9 Feb 2005 (PST).

It depends the year you were born. It's Chinese New Year. 1978 is the Horse year. :) BoArthur

Ah, that explains a lot! Well, compared to you guys, I'm an oldie already! I was born in 1970. I guess that makes me a... dog? Yes, a dog I think. Now what does thát tell you about me?! :)) IJzeren Jan.

Have a good day today...and g'night! BoArthur 21:04, 11 Feb 2005 (PST)

Signing off for today? Good night to you too! :) IJzeren Jan 21:10, 11 Feb 2005 (PST).

Discussion to Take Over

Jan, make sure that you go look at Talk:Point of Divergence, as you were the one that came up with thte suggestion in the first place. BoArthur

Did you want to bring your views to bear on the POD discussion? BoArthur

I will. Honestly, I've simply been too busy lately! Yesterday my daughter underwent an operation, now I feel I'm getting sick once again (for the fourth time in three months... Sigh). I'll look into this as soon as I have some time and concentration to spare... IJzeren Jan 07:28, 17 Mar 2005 (PST)

I hope the operation went well! I figured I'd just ask and you could answer. Come back when you've settled down the real-world affairs of your life and can give more care to truly unimportant matters. :) Bleibst gesund! BoArthur

Thank you! :) Yes, the operation went fine! But any operation will always have a great impact on a 3 y.o. child. Oh well... Anyway, I'll get back to this, I promise. It's an important project, but not an easy one, and definitely not something to get away with in ten minutes! Cheers, IJzeren Jan 07:38, 17 Mar 2005 (PST)


Didn't realise my disambiguation page would cause so much work! BoArthur

Oh, that's fine. I think in this case your change was completely valid! The only error on your part was that Galicia is not part of Ukraine, but I already corrected it. Cheers, IJzeren Jan 00:11, 7 Apr 2005 (PDT) (BTW, shouldn't you be in bed by now? ;))) )

Yes, I should've been. I hate the end of a semester like this. Grr.. BoArthur

Other Althists and Buddhist Russia

Jan, you may want to check Nik and my althist on wikicities called Toyotomi Japan. We're pondering a Buddhist Russia... BoArthur

Is this what you mean? If so, could you please point to to the discussion about Russia? --IJzeren Jan
We haven't written much about Russia, yet. And it was only a passing idea, really, a notion of some Tsar or another (perhaps Peter the Great) converting his nation to Buddhism. But, I'm not sure we'll use it. Nik 13:31, 7 Apr 2005 (PDT)
Well, I guess you know why I invented the SNOR in the first place... It was in the first place because I didn't like the idea of a Buddhist Russia, which had been sort of canon until then. I didn't like it then, and I still don't like it now. But I must admit that in your Toyotomi timeline it makes a hell of a lot more sense than it did in IB. If Japan started colonising Siberia as early as the 17th century, then it is logic that the region has a predominantly Japanese, Buddhist population. Russian expansion into Siberia *here* could take place primarily because there simply wasn't anybody to stop it. The Ob seems like a good meeting point, or border. I can also see the Japanese sending missionaries to Russian territory, but I don't think they will have had must success. Perhaps among the aboriginal populations of Siberia, yes, but not among the Russians themselves. They simply have too much of a Christian tradition. Therefore the idea of a czar converting to Buddhism would seem véry odd to me, and even if some czar actually did, his successor would likely have returned to Orthodoxy. And no way that the Russian population would have followed suit!
Of course, Japan occupying large portions of Siberian territory would have had its impact on Russia in another way: the absence of "Lebensraum" in the east may have prompted the Russian to seek expansion elsewhere, most probably in the realm of Afghanistan and/or India, thus forcing a way into the Indian Ocean. Alternatively, Russia may have ventured into colonisation (Africa, who knows?). Another thing is that being less present in Asia, Russia may have become more like a "western" and less like an "eastern" culture.
Does this help? --IJzeren Jan 00:01, 8 Apr 2005 (PDT)
Yeah, I figured as much.  :-) Honestly, I had mentioned the Buddhism thing as a joking reference to the old IB Russia, I'm surprised Dan thought I was serious.  :-)
And, that part about expansion elsewhere is quite interesting. Definitely have to give it some thought. It'd be interesting to have Russia competing over India along with other European powers ... Nik 12:52, 8 Apr 2005 (PDT)
I'm all for Buddhist Russia! Maybe the Commies adopted it in their 1917 revolution as the state religion, because there's no God. I like the competition in other regions as well. BoArthur 10:18, 9 Apr 2005 (PDT)

Hälsningar och Frankrike

Good Evening, Sir Jan. I hope you and yours are well. BoArthur 22:29, 11 Apr 2005 (PDT)

Excellent, my dear sir, really excellent. Except that here it's 7:30 in the morning... I'll unfortunately have to wait a bit before the evening comes! :) Anyway, I was just thinking about a reply to your question regarding France, so you better stay tuned! Cheers, --IJzeren Jan 22:32, 11 Apr 2005 (PDT)

Tuned and awaiting transmission. BoArthur

How'd you do that?

Your user page, I mean? The rest of us have a couple of lines- you have an article! Deiniol 08:19, 13 May 2005 (PDT)

Oh, easy! Most of the code I snatched away from a user page of the Dutch wikipedia. In addition, I decided to make a table similar to the one at Benct's page but using some of the infoboxes I'd been fiddling with yesterday instead. Subsequently, I spent a few hours experimenting and making everything fit together. I'm quite satisfied with the result myself, I admit. If you want to use my code, then be my guest! :) --IJzeren Jan 09:54, 13 May 2005 (PDT)
And I in turn nicked the code from Chlewey's page at FrathWiki. I also made a template off it at FrathWiki. You (Jan) may want to borrow it for IBwiki! -- BPJ 10:37, 14 May 2005 (PDT)


Hey Jan, check out the discussion about Dunantu, looks like it got swept under the rug by all those other Recent Changes.  ;)

Oh, so Dunantu is Marc's invention, not yours. Never mind then. ;) The Jervan 01:35, 16 May 2005 (PDT)


So Tyntyn it is, eh? What's the dog called? And what about the author? Hreży maybe? ;o) The Jervan 03:31, 9 Jun 2005 (PDT)

Well, the dog's name in Polish is Miluś, so I guess that will be the same in Wenedyk. The author's name can stay too: *there*'s Hergé is a francophone from the city of Brussels in the Batavian Kingdom too!
(But, on the side, the name Hergé is built from the letters R.G., the initials of Georges Rémi reversed. If we transfer all that into Wenedyk we would end up with... let's see... Erge. Yuck! No, better, Żoredż Remy or Rzemy or something -> R.Ż -> Erżet! That's better indeed!) --IJzeren Jan
What's this talk about Tyntyn?! Being a fan of the original, I'd like to know if I can contribute... Of course you know that Le Sceptre d'Ottokar was written with Xliponia in mind, but Erżet chose to change the name and several details of the country. Especially because of the aggressive nature of Borduria, Syldavia's neighbour. Kyrmse 04:33, 10 Jun 2005 (PDT)
Ha, I'm a fan of the original, too! As a matter of fact, I collect Tintin albums in as many languages as possible!
Now let me tell you a secret: it's clear that Borduria is entirely based on Xliponia's aggressive neighbour, Greece. But you know, with all the political goings-on in Batavia, still a neutral country at the time, he probably thought it safer to work with fantasy countries. Besides, that would allow him to devise Syldavian, a pseudo-Slavic language based on his own Marols.
How you can contribute? Well, that's obvious! Translate the titles into Xliponian! And, given your picture making skills, you might try something like I once did (see below):
Of course, Wenedyk has changed a bit since then. I really should redo that picture!
Cheers, IJzeren Jan 07:52, 10 Jun 2005 (PDT)

Undoing Redirects

Hejsa Jan! Benct Philip has brought to my attention that my spelling of Xryram͂pur is wrong, and so the number of redirects which I have made might have to be undone. I'm afraid of redirecting those pages back to the previous page and creating a complete circuit -- I might "short circuit" the pages!! What do I do?

Speaking of which, I think we can keep the Svalbard page rather than redirect it to the North Atlantic Dependency page. Though you were right to move the contents to a discussion page.

Boreanesia 07:21, 15 Jun 2005 (PDT)

Hey Kristian! Okay, can you send me a list of redirects that need to be undone? I'll take care of it tomorrow. BTW, is there any particular reason why you decided to use the "funny characters" in the page titles after all? I'm not complaining or anything, but here, most of what I get is boxes. Avoiding those characters in page titles makes it easier to link to them.
About Svalbard: okay, I did consider that possibility. The reason I decided to move it to NOAD is that I couldn't really think of any significant content for the remaining Svalbard page. But of course, if you have an idea, then please go ahead! :)
Cheers, IJzeren Jan 07:35, 15 Jun 2005 (PDT)
Never mind, it's already taken care of! --IJzeren Jan


Thanks Jan!

As for Svalbard, I think I'd have written a stub saying that it is a part of the North Atlantic Dependency of the Scandinavian Realm. That much appears to be established.

Regarding those funny characters: Yes, I have to apologize about that. I know I said in Lla Dafern that I would avoid using diacritics in the page title. But then when I was redoing the India pages it occured to me that the Japanese and Francophone pages (e.g. Lousianne and France) use diacritics. So I figured, if they can, why can't the Asian pages? IMO, they're just as important as the diacritics used in pages like Alpes-Argentés, Côte de Châtaigne, and Lùquiù.

Boreanesia 12:35, 15 Jun 2005 (PDT)

Okay, go ahead then and change the redirect into the stub text. As for the diacritics in other pages: I'm not in favour of that either. I think Nik has been using Luuquiuu rather than Lùquiù, no? In any case, these are at least pretty simple to write on the keyboard, but in the case of Xrírampur Romanisation, there are characters that show up only when I copy-and-paste portions of text into a Word document and change the font into Code2000 or something. For what it is worth, in my opinion áll diacritics should be avoided in page names, for the simple reason that you get véry scrambled URLs. --IJzeren Jan 17:50, 15 Jun 2005 (PDT)
Luuquiuu is a redirect to Lùquiù. I think that if a title contains diacritics, a redirect should be made without diacritics. -- Nik 19:46, 15 Jun 2005 (PDT)
Yes, I was just thinking about that too. Let's make that part of our wiki's Romanization Policy. -- Boreanesia 22:00, 15 Jun 2005 (PDT)
Hold on -- I just thought of something! What about the Riksmål character å (a-ring)? Should the ring also be removed? And what about characters like ç (c-cedilla), ß (eszett), ð (eth), and þ (thorne)? -- Boreanesia 22:18, 15 Jun 2005 (PDT)
Well, my position is: no diacritics in titles. The solution with redirects is indeed a viable one, and I certainly could live with it, but it doesn't solve the basic problem that the link to the page itself looks like Besides, linking to redirects is something that IMO should be avoided in general. Of course, I can also see the other side of the story, namely that it's no fun either if you always have to type [[Luuquiuu|Lùquiù]].
Either Luuquiuu redirecting to Lùquiù or the other way around would work just as well. Either way, it should be possible to have both a convenient URL and avoid requiring frequent use of the vertical line thingy (can't think of the name at the moment) -- Nik 17:16, 16 Jun 2005 (PDT)
How do Scandinavians handle the problem *here*? In the old days, the page about Rigsmål carried the title Rigsmaal. ß can be written as ss, ð as dh, and þ as th. Don't know about ç. The page Thordhur Jonsson fra Hvita is an example of how I would handle it.
--IJzeren Jan 04:07, 16 Jun 2005 (PDT)
When it comes to making webpages intended to be accessed directly by typing in the URL, then it's true that Scandinavians *here* would write å as aa, ð as dh, þ as th, and leave any other diacritic out. However, I think it's different for wiki pages. A wiki is first and foremost an online clickable encyclopedia, rather than a URL. The wikipedia's Icelandic pages, for instance, writes ð as ð, þ as þ, and maintain all the diacritics in titles. Have a look here and here. I wouldn't actually type in the URL to get to the wikipedia page on Norður-Þingeyjarsýsla. No, instead, I'd start from a reference page, like the wikipedia's Iceland page, where I would then start to click myself forward to Norður-Þingeyjarsýsla. Doesn't everybody else do the same? If so, shouldn't the same be true for our wiki? I never intended anyone to actually type in the URL to get to the Sipsaqan̊bân̷n̷á page. Instead, they can click themselves to the page from the Southeast Asia page. I also suggested this to Benct Philip in Talk:Xrirampur Romanization with regards to the Indian pages. I do not think diacritics should be such a big problem in a wiki. --Boreanesia 08:52, 16 Jun 2005 (PDT)
Hm, I often access pages by typing in the URL. And I also often access them by using the "search" function. Now the latter works of course with the funny characters, except here we have a distinction: I can make a þ or an á directly from the keyboard, but not an . But I have to admit that your arguments certainly hold sense.
Why not create a little poll in Lla Dafern about the issue? If you agree, I'll set up one. --IJzeren Jan 16:01, 16 Jun 2005 (PDT)
I do too, which is why I suggested using redirects. -- Nik 17:16, 16 Jun 2005 (PDT)

A message regarding Slevan

Hi Jan! Would you and the other Jan please have a look at FrathWiki:Talk:Slevan? BPJ 10:42, 16 Jul 2005 (PDT)

I've had a look and I dó have something to tell there. I'm not going to manage today, but probably tomorrow I will! --IJzeren Jan 11:31, 16 Jul 2005 (PDT)
Jan, I've left some comments to your comments on the FrathWiki:Talk:Slevan page. BPJ 08:39, 17 Jul 2005 (PDT)

Map of South America

In my files I have the same map of South America that was (is) in the factbook, and the factbook is still online but with some problems in the DNS servers...

Just look at [].

The map is here:

Eventually I will correct the map but if you have a corrected version please upload it. It will remind if it is better than mine.

--Carlos Th 15:21, 16 Jul 2005 (PDT)

Ah, thanks you for that, Carlos! I'm very glad to see that the Factbook is in fact still alive.
This map of SA is indeed the same as the one I have on my computer. I don't think anything has changed on it since then, except the presence of Nea Illenicia.
In the meantime, I saw you removed the Portuguese-speaking parts of South America from your "regent"-list. Does that mean that you don't mind if Ronald becomes the official caretaker of these countries?
Cheers, IJzeren Jan 16:10, 16 Jul 2005 (PDT)
I note only a minor discrepancy in that Trinidad and Tobago appear to South American rather than English. Tortuga is Kemrese. And of course, the green coloration of Florida-Caribbea will have to be changed in favour of a new colour scheme for the liberated territories. I've deposited a slightly modified copy of the South America map in the files section of Conculture which reflect these differences. Elemtilas
=> Jan, I believe I am now overseer? regent? of BA, BR, EQ and PA, as well as of the LAU, and will do further work on them whén póssible. Of course I would like to incorporate that into my user page. Bút can't do it in Dutch (see what you got yourself and me into?!). I was thinking of some thing along the lines of:
RK, Member no. 46, is Plenipotentiary Chargé d'Affaires of the Kingdom of Xliponia (Hoimtat Xliponia), as well as overseer? regent? of the Republics of Bahia, Brazil, Equador and Paraná, and overseer? regent? of the Lusoamerican Union. He has been studying [...]
No problem in Portuguese, English, German, Esperanto. But you'll have to help me... Kyrmse 07:47, 17 Jul 2005 (PDT)
Well, it's really up to you how you call it. Owner, caretaker, overseer, regent... Anyway, in Dutch it would end up like "[...] gevolmachtigd Chargé d'Affairs van het Koninkrijk Xliponia (Hoimtat Xliponia) alsmede eigenaar [owner]/regent [regent] van de Republieken Bahia, Brazilië, Equador en Parana en van de Luso-Amerikaanse Unie. Hij [...]" If you change the description on your page, I'll simply follow suit. --IJzeren Jan 11:03, 17 Jul 2005 (PDT)
The List is updated to reflect the change. Elemtilas

New stuff at FrathWiki:Talk:Slevan

Jan! There is some new stuff at FrathWiki:Talk:Slevan that I would like you to look at. -- Benct

I will, as soon as I have some time. Cheers, IJzeren Jan 11:57, 19 Aug 2005 (PDT)


Did you get my e-mail about a Lithuanian Speaker, Jan? BoArthur

Are you getting my emails?

Are you getting my emails? I sent you two this week but got no answer. BPJ 23:26, 31 Aug 2005 (PDT)


Yes, I am Lithuanian, and both IPs you talked to are mine. I've been watching/reading some thing sabout Bethisad III and such; if I will contribute more detailed things in future I will take a username.

Got this registration now Abdul-aziz 14:59, 17 Sep 2005 (PDT)

Your name in IB Gaelic

Seeing as you have it in, it seems, nearly everything else, I thought you might like to add Gaeilg. So you have a choice between Eoin de Cruacnoc and Gean de Cruacnoc, the latter the version borrowed from Brithenig (*here*'s Sean from English).

Thank you! :) I think I'll go for the real Irish version! --IJzeren Jan 02:17, 16 October 2005 (PDT)


TO: the Allwelders and mighty Sysops of the Wiki RE: spam, wonderful spam!

Since it seems apparent that spam has found us again (keeping the Anti Spam League needlessly busy), it might be time to think about changing the Wiki to editable by Members only. At least temporarily. I now that now it seems like no big deal to eliminate the spam and associated spammers -- but it's a task we really shouldn't have to do. Maybe give it a couple days before making a decision (just to see if it magically vanishes), but I think the issue should be brought up.

Elemtilas, Ilum.


Would you come and bring your comments (if any) to bear on the heated HRE Navy discussion? BoArthur



Busy, busy, busy! Quite the whirling dervish of categorization, you are. BoArthur

 :)) Yes, it's something I started to do a while ago, and I thought it's about time to finish it. To my mind, our category system is hopelessly complicated, and I'd like to simplify it a little. I also plan to write a special help page about categories. Cheers, IJzeren Jan 13:40, 27 October 2005 (PDT)

If we could work out a tree so that we know what the categories are and what they fall under, that would help, to. A categorical taxonomy, if you will. I agree they're complicated. Similar to what's happening in my job these days. We've kind of built things ad hoc until present and now realize that we need to revamp to be streamlined. Any help I can give you, let me know! BoArthur

Thanks, I'll draft something up! --IJzeren Jan 21:55, 27 October 2005 (PDT)

I've added a subcategory to the images: Category:Ill Bethisad in Pictures. Please review. BoArthur 11:32, 24 November 2005 (PST)

Email Question

(I'm copypasting this to both Jan and Steg)

Did either of you guys received an email from me last week ? If yes and you haven't answered yet, no pressure. With Kristian's email getting lost, I'm juts wondering if there's a problem with my acount.

--Marc Pasquin 15:49, 2 November 2005 (PST)

Hi Marc. Yes, I received your email but I haven't answered it yet. It's on my to-do-list! --IJzeren Jan 02:02, 3 November 2005 (PST)
No worries, take your time.--Marc Pasquin 14:25, 3 November 2005 (PST)

An interesting book

Accidentally, I bought in Prague nice book of Stefan Kotarski "Słownik zlatynizowanych nazw miejscowych ze szczególnym uwzgłednieniem osiedli słowiańskich" published in Warszawa 1955 by Stowarzyszenie biblotekarzy polskich. Would you be interested in it? -- Jan II.

That sounds véry interesting. Of cóurse I would be interested! :) --IJzeren Jan 08:31, 3 November 2005 (PST)
I could made a **cough** copy (psssst) and send it to you via snail-mail. It is a slim book. Gimme a month or two. ;) -- Jan II.
Oh, I'd love that! I'll send you an e-mail with my address tomorrow. Cheers, IJzeren Jan

Stepping on Toes?

In the last few days I've written some proposals about Prussia and about the monarches thereof. But I just wanted to emphasize that I realize these are proposals only and that I'm trying to build on what is already there, not supplant anything. Please let me know if I'm overstepping on anything? Zahir 21:10, 3 November 2005 (PST)

No worries here! You're doing a fine job, please go in filling in the numerous gaps. If there's any conflict with something already written, we'll let you know. Cheers, IJzeren Jan 03:32, 4 November 2005 (PST)


Looks great. One question, what does "the patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church qualitate qua" mean ?--Marc Pasquin 07:19, 4 November 2005 (PST)

It means that membership of the White Council was inherent to being Patriarch of the ROC. As soon as somebody became patriarch (not that it happened thát often), he automatically became a member of the council. --IJzeren Jan 09:58, 4 November 2005 (PST)


Jan, Will you e-mail me offlist about your ideas for blocking users? I want to be sure we're on the same page. BoArthur

You may wish to review the ones that I banned for infinity, Jan. Let me know if I should change them, or if you want me to help you change them. BoArthur 13:21, 22 November 2005 (PST)
Och, it's not thát important. But you know, IP addresses tend to change owner sometimes, and that's why I'd prefer to block spammers and vandals for a year, but not for infinity. On the other hand, the chance that such an IP address would accidentally end up with somebody interested in IB is close to zero, so I don't think it's really worth the effort. But if you're going through the list anyway, then I'd in your place switch from "infinite" to "1 year". But that's just my opinion. --IJzeren Jan 12:25, 23 November 2005 (PST)

"New messages" clog

Hi Jan, dont you know, how to get rid of this "You have new messages." clog although I have none? Gracias por adelantado. -- Jan II.

Ay, you got it, too? Well, the solution is simple enough: you go to your talk page, then "unwatch" it, and then "watch" it again. That should do the trick. But, like Muke said, as soon as you get another message, the same problem will occur again. --IJzeren Jan 00:18, 22 November 2005 (PST)
On mine I noticed that there was some HTML actually associated with a message and that I only had to delete the coding around the message that I'd received and it cleared up the issue. BoArthur 09:15, 25 November 2005 (PST)

Slvanjek and its adjective

I'm done replacing "Slevan" as a language name with the Template:SLVL and its corresponding adjective with Template:SLVA, pending possible future change(s) of the native name of the language. Please use these two templates when referring to the language! For now the two templates have the same content, but as that may change please keep nominal and adjectival use separated!

Thinking of it I maybe should create a template for the name of the people, and perhaps one for the plural too, although I use "Slevan" for now and am not likely to start using Slván/Slvany. BPJ 04:35, 22 November 2005 (PST)

Well, my method is that I use "Wenedyk" for the language only. For the rest, I always use "Veneda" for the country, "Venedic" for the adjective, "Vened" for the inhabitant, etc. Think of the templates as an emergency solution: if we end up with dozens of them, editing is getting rather complicated. Anyway, well done! I'll use the templates when referring to the language. Cheers, IJzeren Jan 05:02, 22 November 2005 (PST)


I know you're not much into it, Jan, but I must say that it would be fun to chat with you through Yahoo! Messenger one of these days, especially since it's cheaper than a cross-pond phone call. :) BoArthur

Well, I'll see. Maybe I can download something one of these days. But I have discovered another fun thing: Skype. You ain't on Skype, by accident? BTW, Dan, when are you coming to Europe? --IJzeren Jan 08:51, 25 November 2005 (PST)
I'm not on Skype, but I am on Trillian, and support IRC, ICQ, AIM, Yahoo! and MSN messengers. And when am I coming to Europe? Oi vay! Not SOON ENOUGH. ;) I must get my degree first of all, and then see about ways to 1) Secure a job there 2) make enough to support my growing family 3) convince the extended family that it's a good thing for us to go (the last one I can give or take.)`
Maybe a VERY stupid question, but how does that work. If I want, say, IRC, then what should I do to get it? --IJzeren Jan 09:08, 25 November 2005 (PST)
Actually, I would encourage you to go and download Trillian basic from here. Then, you just have to set up your Yahoo chat information, which is just your Yahoo! login and password and it will log you in to Yahoo's chat servers and you can then message me at bo_arthur ;) BoArthur
I could conceivably download Skype...but seeing as Nik and I are chatting all the time, I think you could very easily connect with the rest of us here that way. ;) BoArthur 09:23, 25 November 2005 (PST)
I'll try and download Trillian (I like the reference, at least...). I can recommend Skype by any standard: it makes it possible to make international phone calls where and as long as you want, completely for free. Very useful when you have a Russian-Jewish wife with family and freinds all over the world! :) --IJzeren Jan 09:26, 25 November 2005 (PST)


An idea I just had would be for russia *there* to have a sort of equivalent to skinheads. I had envisioned them to grown large moustache a la Vissiaronov ("Little father Ios"). One thing I was wondering, is there a russian word for "moustachu" ? (french word meaning "man with a moustache").

Playing around with babelfish, does усикато make sense ? --Marc Pasquin 15:59, 30 November 2005 (PST)

усатец (pl. усатцы) or усат (pl. усаты). In Czech, it would be quite funny, because _moustachu_ is _knírač_, what means also this small choleric dog, schnauzer. -- Jan II.
It funny, Marc, because the very same thought has occurred to me, too. There's also something obviously tintinesque in the idea. After all, the followers of Plekszy-Gladz in Borduria are called "moustachistes"! --IJzeren Jan 00:42, 1 December 2005 (PST)

Rulers of Xliponia

Jan, I eliminated the significant info on the Kings of Xliponia page and put it into Rulers of Xliponia. Kings could thus be deleted, except for the fact that it is referred to in the infobox at the head of the Xliponia article, and I don't know how to handle this. Can you help? Thanks! Kyrmse 08:32, 1 December 2005 (PST)

Okay, I deleted the article and fixed the link to Rulers of Xliponia. I have also removed the link to Prime ministers of Xliponia, since I don't suppose you intend to write that article (soon). If you want that link back, you can simply go back from {{ruler2 infobox}} to {{ruler infobox}}, which has the effect that the function will automatically become a link to "FUNCTIONs of PAGENAME". --IJzeren Jan 12:58, 1 December 2005 (PST)


Please note the change I have made to this page. Correct if you feel necessary. BoArthur 13:59, 1 December 2005 (PST)

Protections Response

Please note my response to you, cher ami. BoArthur

zapytanie głupe, no poważne

Ahem, how you input the signature (IJzeren Jan 02:29, 12 December 2005 (PST) ) after your talk contributions; it should be easier than write it all the time de novo, like a shortcut, am I right? But I haven't found yet how... -- Jan II.

it is four ~ without spaces between them Doobieous 03:11, 12 December 2005 (PST)

Dzekuje bardzo, sanowny panie! ¡Muchas gracias, el estimado! Thanx a lot, good man! ;) Jan II. 05:00, 12 December 2005 (PST)
Actually, you have two possibilities: you can type ~~~~ for your name followed by a timestamp, or simply ~~~ for just your name. --IJzeren Jan 05:06, 12 December 2005 (PST)

Origin of Venedians and Slevanians discussion

Hi Jan, if you are interested, visit User_talk:BenctPhilip where there is a part related to the topic. The paragraph starts with "Alojs Šempär aka Lajš Šaper"... Jan II.

Thanks, I'll look into it! --IJzeren Jan 01:43, 13 December 2005 (PST)
I have created a heading User_talk:BenctPhilip#Geography -- BPJ 13:23, 15 December 2005 (PST)
Thank you. A very interesting discussion, and like I said, I will look into it. But at the moment I'm still busy with my private reply to you about Wenedyk/Slvanjek, and the stuff is thát complicated that I'm advancing only very slowly with it (not to mention my two sick kids :( ). --IJzeren Jan 13:42, 15 December 2005 (PST)

Political parties of RTC

Checked that page, added some more. As well probably Veneda would be called "Lenkija" in Lithuanian, same as Poland is called in real world, as it is a separate root and not based on "Pol" one. Abdul-aziz 01:43, 19 December 2005 (PST)

Thank you for that, and by all means feel free to add even more!
As for Lenkija, I noticed that as well. Problem is only that I assume it is based on the same root as "Lechitic language", Ljach, etc. Not only Lithuanian uses it, but also Hungarian (Lengyelország), Persian (Lehestân) and Armenian (Lehastan). It was originally derived from the name of the Slavic tribe Lędzianie, whose name apparently was based on the Slavic word lęda "uncultivated field". The word Lędzianin (or Lędzic) was shortened to Ljęch, hence the Lithuanian and Hungarian forms. All this should not necessarily mean that the Lithuanian word can not be "Lenkija", but as you understand from the above, I have my doubts. Given the Romance nature of Wenedyk, wouldn't it be far more likely if the Lithuanians called them "Romai" or anything else based on "rom-" or "latin-"? Or simply "Venedai" or "Vendai"?
I have some comments on the Seimas of Samogitia too, but I'll address those on the corresponding talk page. --IJzeren Jan 02:20, 19 December 2005 (PST)
Jan I. is right, neither in Hungarian nor in Lithuanian can Veneda be called Lengyelország or Lenkija, cos it is a Slavic name. Jan II.

I am still not sure about name for Veneds in Lithuania, but just by the way - I think Belarussian in the RTC should be written in "lacynka" (Latin script) rather than cyrillic as there was no russification campaign in thee western areas of Belarusian nation as I understand, because it was never part of Russia.Abdul-aziz 10:12, 19 December 2005 (PST)

I agree with you about Belarussian. The only counterargument I can think of is that the Ukrainians of the RTC dó write in Cyrillic (just like *here*, where they were never part of Russia either), but I guess the situation for Belarussian is quite different.
As for the name of Veneda: I'll leave it up to you to come with a name for it. Like I said, most likely IMO would be either something along the lines of "Veneda", "Vendija" or something based on "Roman" or "Latin". --IJzeren Jan 14:21, 19 December 2005 (PST)

could you, please, de-propro Austro-Dalmatia?

I think, we can de-proposalise Austro-Dalmatia, since it was revised by Ferko already. Jan II. 01:47, 20 December 2005 (PST)

Done. I have also removed the English tag, since Dan seems to have revised it already. BTW, you don't need to ask me: there's no law against deproposing yourself either! --IJzeren Jan 02:45, 20 December 2005 (PST)

Lodz Page

Can you please go through and Venedify anything that I didn't take care of? BoArthur

I already did! :) If my changes don't show up on your computer, that's probably a cache problem. Yesterday, I created the {{purge}} template for that. To use it, you simply need to put it anywhere on the page and then click the link. --IJzeren Jan 22:03, 21 December 2005 (PST)
Jan, are you thinking of the University of Lodz or the actual LODZ page? Because I don't show you as having edited that page, but I do see the edit you made on the UL page. BoArthur 22:14, 21 December 2005 (PST)
Drat, my mistake! I'll go and have a look now. --IJzeren Jan 22:42, 21 December 2005 (PST)

Okay, done. Not that there was much to venedify... actually, only the name of king Władysław, which is "Urzel" *there* (the data on Kings of the RTC are heavily obsolete). As for the number of victims of Hessler's A-bomb, I think we established not long ago that it was 55,000, so I modified the text accordingly. Does it look okay like this, sir? --IJzeren Jan 23:11, 21 December 2005 (PST)

Oops, it's even worse: 25,000 instead of 55,000. See Talk:Adolf Hessler#a-bomb in Lodz. --IJzeren Jan 23:32, 21 December 2005 (PST)
Except that the number I had there was based on the 425,000 that had left Lodz, been killed in the extermination camps, and whatnot, plus jumped up for the bomb. I think that there, with the back and forth between Russia and the Germans, Lodz would've been in sorry shape and with the bomb, the number would be close to the 425k that we saw here. I'm fine to adjust the number, but that's my thinking for why so many had died and/or moved away from Lodz during the war.
Ah, yes, I misread! But even then... Extermination camps? Now thát's something I cannot believe. I'm sure a lot of people were killed in the fighting, and it's quite possible that innocent civilians were murdered as well, both by the Germans and by the Russians (and perhaps even by the Venedic underground as well) but extermination camps? I really don't think so! Another thing is that I don't think folks would have left the city thát massively. All in all, if the city had 600,000 inhabitants at the time the war started (which strikes me as a little too much anyway; I'd rather guess a number between 300,000 and 400,000 or so), I'd say that perhaps 75,000 max were killed and that another 150,000 left the city. But that's just my idea, of course! —IJzeren Jan Uszkiełtu? 00:40, 22 December 2005 (PST)
I get what you're driving info's based on wikipedia, so there is room for error...
I've changed the info to match our discussion. Please review and tell me what you think. BoArthur 10:25, 10 January 2006 (PST)
Looks good! —IJzeren Jan Uszkiełtu? 11:03, 10 January 2006 (PST)

You never did notice or comment on my picture of downtown Warsina... BoArthur 11:31, 10 January 2006 (PST)

Stupid me! <knocks himself on the head> Indeed, I had noticed it, and I even started to comment on it. I vaguely remember being interrupted when I was writing something, and later simply forgot. Anyway, it's a gorgeous picture! Where did you find it? Is it really *here*'s Warsaw? —IJzeren Jan Uszkiełtu? 00:44, 11 January 2006 (PST)
Yes, It's here's Warsaw. I found it on Wikipedia. I of course added in the Wita Warsiny signage on the building. BoArthur 11:12, 11 January 2006 (PST)
Oh, but thát I noticed. Very well done! :) And thank you, of course... —IJzeren Jan Uszkiełtu? 11:41, 11 January 2006 (PST)

Election results

I will do them, but after quite a long time, as I will be leaving to Mejico tomorrow morning for almost three weeks. Abdul-aziz 06:13, 27 December 2005 (PST)

Okay. Pity that it will take such a long time, but the reasons are understandable and probably very pleasant too! ;) In case you still have some time before you leave, could you please give me a rough indication as to which rightist parties will be big enough to take part in the new RTC government? I'd like to finish my news story about the new RTC government. In a country like the RTC, the number of seats shouldn't necessarily be very high for that, mind. Based on what I see from Žemaitija, I'd suppose that the NDS, the Tautininkai, the VS, the LLDP, the Respublikonai and the CS all qualify. Is that right? Do you have anything to add?
In case I don't hear from you anymore: a Happy New Year, and Bon Voyage! —IJzeren Jan Uszkiełtu? 06:51, 27 December 2005 (PST)
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