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Welcome to the Merry Band, Gwaell!

Chicago Railways

I noticed you are interested in the railway system of the NAL and Chicago; as a matter of fact, I am too. What say you we collaborate? Juanmartinvelezlinares 07:54, 4 January 2017 (PST)

I am quite interested. I have already documented Post Roads that pass through Chicago which you can see here: Post Road 6, Post Road 10. I would love to collaborate. First of all, what do you already have created about the railway system? (A map or the general outline or just a list of Point A-Point B at least)

Make sure to collaborate with Mr Xeight and Benkarnell as they are intimately aware of and vested in Chicago and that region. They're great gents and quite friendly. BoArthur 13:14, 6 January 2017 (PST)

Haha, don't worry, our newest member is one step ahead of you. I hope that you don't feel pressured by me to work on Chicago or anything else because I asked. I simply lack the creativity to think of new concepts that deal with transport in the IB universe because I lack the preliminary knowledge. I admit that I need help in this critical area of trade and would happy to waive my rights to decide road routes to Gwaell that deal with the great transport hub of Chicago. Misterxeight 19:28, 6 January 2017 (PST)

Thank you. I am simply working off of a map of NAL roads, but I may soon decide what provincial highways or railroad routes will run through. Gwaell 10:31, 7 January 2017

Well, the railway network of the NAL is already outlined in part at Padraic's website, which I believe is our "official" website here at Bethisad Industries, Inc. There's a section detailing the railways of the NAL in some detail, including some of the major lines which run through Chicago. You could also look at the Railways of the NAL page to get a certain idea of the workings of the network and which lines constitute it. With regards to my own personal opinions of how the Chi-town rail system is set up (I've mostly thought out passenger rail, not so much freight, I'm afraid):
  • Chicago Union Station is the largest of the myriad stations in Chicago, serving the Penn Central system, the Gulf, Mobile and Aquanishuonigy, and possibly any equivalents of the Burlington Route, Milwaukee Road, etc., as well as international TGV and long-distance trains from St. Louis and Paris-sur-Mizouri.
  • The Chicago and North Western terminal serves all trains of the Chicago and North Western, and possibly of the Baltimore and Aquanishuonigy and Chesapeake and Aquanishuonigy as well (but then again, maybe not).
  • Central Station serves the Grand Mississippi Road (Mississippi & Western), which I'm assuming is *there*'s equivalent of the Illinois Central, as well as the equivalent of the Soo Line if such a thing exists. GMR commuter trains as well as trains of the South Shore Line continue on to Millennium Station in downtown Chicago, close to the Loop.
  • The Chicago, Aurora, and Elgin commuter/interurban service operates into Wells Street Terminal, a four-track terminal nevertheless furnished in the same manner as the grand terminals of the major railroads. In Chicago, the line effectively serves as an express service to the Congress Expressway 'L', skipping stops and providing more comfortable service, before branching off to serve Elgin, Aurora, Batavia, and other cities in Metro Chicago.
  • The North Shore Line runs into Rosenberg Station just south of downtown, sharing it with the Englewood-Normal Park and Midway Aerodrome 'L' lines. It operates over the northern and eastern legs of the Loop Elevated southbound, and the southern and western legs of the Loop northbound, and uses the Skokie and North Side 'L's to reach downtown.
  • The Chicago 'L' is operated by Chicago Rapid Transit; it includes a few more lines and stops than *here*, with the Skokie line having never become a two-station service, the Congress line running all the way to Westchester, the Normal Park and Kenwood branches still in operation, and possibly even continued service over the Humboldt Park branch and the Paulina Connector. Services I imagine run something like this:
  • Brown Line (Kenwood to Ravenswood via Loop)
  • Green Line (Lake to Englewood-Normal Park and maybe also Jackson Park, via Loop)
  • Blue Line (Westchester to O'Hare via Milwaukee-Dearborn Subway)
  • Red Line (Howard to Dan Ryan via State Street Subway)
  • Purple Line (Normally Linden-to-Howard shuttle, express service to Loop during rush hours)
  • Orange Line (Midway to Loop)
  • Yellow Line (Howard to Skokie; only 'L' line to use catenary)
  • Pink Line (Douglas branch, then either to Loop or Humboldt Park over Paulina Connector; I haven't made up my mind yet)
I'm still not 100% sure about a few things, including whether or not the Jackson Park branch should be separate or not from the Englewood-Lake line, or the ultimate alignment of the Pink Line.
  • The Chicago Surface Lines boasts the (second?) largest tram/streetcar network in the world, as well as an extensive trolleybus service on the Northwest Side and myriad bus lines. It is privately owned, and consists of a federation of sorts of five streetcar and bus companies, like the IRL Chicago Surface Lines *here*.
Basically, Chicago rail service somewhat resembles how it was before the Great Depression and the Interstate Highway System caused the decline of interurbans and long-distance rail in the US.
Now, for other things I haven't 100% made my mind up on. I'm not sure if Grand Central Station is still open *there* or if it closed in 1969 as it did *here*, which means I'm not sure where to route the B&A's Columbiastar TGVs; I'm also not sure if Dearborn and LaSalle Street Stations exist, since I'm not sure if their associated lines (Wabash and Rock Island, respectively) would exist. Any ideas on that?
I was thinking that *there*, since there was no Great Depression, Samuel Insull would have retained his holdings until his death. Now here comes the interesting part; *here* Insull was a strong proponent of consumer protections being applied to regulate monopolies, and even suggested municipal ownership of utilities (including electric rail) at a few points. So I was wondering if *there* maybe he transferred his Chicago-area holdings to the fifthing government, perhaps resulting in a situation something like the Hong Kong MRT or the RATP.
As a result of that, the RTA (i.e. the Metra operators) forms much earlier *there* (perhaps around the 40s or even 30s, depending on how long we let Insull live), starting out with Insull's three electric interurban lines and gradually growing to include all commuter rail service in the Chicago area. While the original three lines are wholly owned, operated and funded by Metra, the rest are owned and operated by the major railroads (CNW, PC, BN, etc.), though funded and branded as Metra services. Commuter service is wholly electric, mostly operated by multiple units though some lines use locomotive-hauled trainsets or a mix of both.

That's what I've got for Chicago. What do you think? Juanmartinvelezlinares 14:46, 7 January 2017 (PST)

I think that Grand Central Station would close like *here*, but *there*, La Salle would take its place. I don't believe that Dearborn would exist *there*, since no railways appear to run through it. I am sure that since there is no Great Depression, Insull would behave very differently, and I like your scenario about him giving his holdings to the fifthing government, and the Metra operators developing much earlier. I still think he would die in the late 30's like *here*. Thanks for all the info, really helpful.Gwaell 16:00, 7 January 2017

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