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Uh, question: Why does Xrivizaja have an Arabic spelling when this nation is Buddhist, and therefore untouched by any significant Islamic influence? Doobieous 21:26, 27 May 2006 (PDT)

Negara Xrivizaja means State of Xrivizaja and not Kingdom of Xrivizaja. Kerajaan is the malay/indonesian bahasa word for kingdom.--Pedromoderno 09:25, 5 May 2016 (PDT)

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Malay scripts

Without Malay conversion to Islam and without Western colonial domination I'm sure Malay language isn't written *there* neither in Jawi script (related to Arabic script) nor in Latin script. So, what script do they use *there*? I suggest the Kawi script, although possibly Xrirampur Romanization might be in use either.--Pedromoderno 17:49, 5 October 2017 (PDT)

I was actually thinking about a derivative of the Kawi script at one point, but I dropped it since it seems to have originated in Java and the center of Srivijaya was historically in Sumatera. At the moment I'm thinking of some sort of derivative/modernisation of the Pallava alphabet of historical Tamil Nadu, although I haven't the foggiest idea how I'd get it onto the wiki, considering I don't exactly have access to Unicode. The Xrirampur Romanisation and the Balagtas Alphabet are probably used in similar situations to Romaji, I would think. Juanmartinvelezlinares 05:14, 6 October 2017 (PDT)
How about this? Would the Rencong alphabet work? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rencong_alphabet --General tiu 09:01, 7 October 2017 (PDT)
Well, I think it does work.--Pedromoderno 17:41, 8 October 2017 (PDT)
That's another script I've considered as a possibility. In all fairness, it seems a little regional to be effective for an empire of 80,000,000, but it could totally work. What do you think? Juanmartinvelezlinares 18:04, 9 October 2017 (PDT)
Perhaps the Pallava script, which was used to write Old Malay (the language of *here's* Sri Vijaya), would be the best choice. Looks much better than Rencong alphabet, was surely more used and has a strong relation to pre-Islamized Indonesia *here*.--Pedromoderno 19:13, 15 October 2017 (PDT)
Alright then. Pallava derivative it is. I'll get to work on it as soon as I can. Bit busy at the moment, but I'll find the time. Juanmartinvelezlinares 05:52, 17 October 2017 (PDT)
You might take note of this. [1]

--General tiu 21:39, 7 November 2017 (PST)

Tributary states

It is said in the article there are four tributary states in Xrivizaja: Malacca, Atjeh and Bencoolen. That makes three, not four. Is it a mistake or did you forget any?--Pedromoderno 17:44, 8 October 2017 (PDT)

The fourth one is actually Penang. I haven't put it up yet because I still can't think of which FK power would get it. Perchance you would have any suggestions? Juanmartinvelezlinares 17:47, 9 October 2017 (PDT)

Singapura and the Kongsi Republics

I think Singapura would be also called the remnant of the Lanfang Republic, provided that this republic exists in Ill Bethisad, and also provided that Singapura would still be have a sizeable Chinese population though smaller. But then that would be under Mazapahit, not Xrivizaja. --General tiu 18:13, 10 October 2017 (PDT)

Well, actually, the Lanfang Republic and the other Kongsi republics would be under Bornei-Filipinas, not Mazapahit or Xrivizaja. Also, I don't think they ever controlled Singapura. The Kingdom of Singapura is based on the historic Kingdom of Singapura, whose rulers eventually moved to Malacca (*there* I think the king of Xrivizaja moved directly to Malacca). On the other hand, this gives me an excuse to keep the Chinese minority in Bornei-Filipinas safe from any potential Chinese revanchism--if the Kongsi republics fought on the side of Bornei and the Philippines then a Chinese expulsion would have been... unwise, to say the least. Juanmartinvelezlinares 08:30, 11 October 2017 (PDT)
I like the idea of surviving Kongsi republics. I imagine them nowadays as highly developped city-states, Chinese ethnic dominated regimes where democracy would work better to Chinese than to the other local people. Not exactly an apartheid situation, just a minority rule. *Here* the Kongsi republics were tributary to Chinese Empire, perhaps *There* they would be either until China fractured into several smaller states after its defeat in the Great Oriental War. Bornei-Filipinas would be a good candidate to receive Kongsi republics' tribute as a compensation of war.--Pedromoderno 20:12, 15 October 2017 (PDT)
Hmm. Highly developed city-states. I like it. With regards to their relationship with Bornei-Filipinas and the Chinese Empire, what I was thinking is that they join Bornei and the Philippines after the Castilians are kicked out of the area and northern Bornei, and they then join Bornei-Filipinas as constituent states but still mandala'd to the Qing Empire. They do pretty well, at least until they're overthrown, annexed and used as a launchpad for Chinese forces into Bornei. Incensed, the Kongsi leaders call upon the aid of ANJAC and the Borneian-Filipino government in order to protect both them and Bornei-Filipinas at large against the Chinese threat. A heavy resistance ensues, as Chinese forces heavily bomb Cotabato, Manila, and Pontianak and fierce fighting takes place in Bornei. Eventually, the Chinese are expelled. The Kongsi republics fear anti-Chinese retaliation, but ultimately they are forgiven on account of their heroic resistance to the Chinese aggressors, and become constituent states of Bornei-Filipinas. I'd imagine that they wouldn't necessarily have democracy that works "better" for the Chinese--perhaps the Chinese have privileges in daily life, but officially they are secular-multiracial (if politically and ethnically Chinese-dominated) states inside Bornei Filipinas. Juanmartinvelezlinares 07:36, 17 October 2017 (PDT)
I was also thinking, why not make the Kongsi states independent themselves from Both Mazapahit and Filipinas? I am considering an idea where the Kongsi being basically become the equivalents of *here* and *there*'s Hansa cities.

--General tiu 13:21, 17 October 2017 (PDT)

I like your ideas about the Kongsi republics' 20th century history but I rather keep them out of B-F which already has rajjaos enough. Perhaps they could be independent afterall, gathered in a confederation and not tributary to any foreign power.--Pedromoderno 18:21, 17 October 2017 (PDT)
That was the idea. Anyone come up with a name? I am thinking of Nanyang Confederation or something. It will be a Chinese League member for obvious reasons.

Also, in Singapura, I guess that even if Singapura would still be a majority Malay state, it would have a higher-than-usual Chinese population, as an allusion to *here*.

--General tiu 18:56, 17 October 2017 (PDT)

You hit the nail right on the head with my plans for Singapura. In my headcanon it's spilt roughly 50-50 Chinese-Malay. Not 100% sure which ethnic group is bigger yet (even then, it's only by like, less than .6%), but ATM I'm leaning towards a slight Malay majority. Politics are mostly Chinese-dominated by the centre-left DPAP, though.
The thing about making the Kongsi republics their own independent countries is that QSS states they're either in Bornei-Filipinas or Srivijaya (and probably Bornei-Filipinas). So I'm rather loath to make an independent country 'round those parts. In my opinion, the best course of action is to make them part of either the Srivijayan or Borneian-Philippine mandalas, albeit with a good deal of autonomy and their own rights. That way we respect QSS but get the Kongsi republics safely into IB with their rights respected. Juanmartinvelezlinares 07:38, 18 October 2017 (PDT)
Historical Kongsi republics *here* were mostly located in nowadays West Kalimantan (West Borneo, if you prefer). Lanfang Republic, the most known, was centered in Pontianak. *There* same region falls inside Xrivizaja borders, just see here: http://cinduworld.tripod.com/seasia_in_ib.htm, or the World map articles. So I think Nanyang Confederation (or whatever you call it) would fall under Xrivizajan mandala. In relation to China Nanyang possibly has very strong ties (cultural, economical, etc) with Futainan.--Pedromoderno 03:09, 7 November 2017 (PST)
Well, I believe M. Hicken (BoArthur) has said that Borneo's been retconned to be fully within Bornei-Filipinas. I'd take that up with the Facebook group, though--for now, I'm operating on the assumption that the most recent canon gives Bornei-Filipinas the entirety of Borneo. I'll put the link to the Facebook group here, I'm not sure if you're a member: https://www.facebook.com/groups/10758889087/ Juanmartinvelezlinares 05:08, 7 November 2017 (PST)

Oil industry

Believing natural resources *there* are more or less the same as *here* Xrivizaja might be a major oil producer. *Here* most of Indonesian major oil fields are located in Eastern Sumatra, notably in Riau province. Such territory is in Xrivizaja *there*. Should we add Xrivizaja to the list of COPEN member states?--Pedromoderno 18:20, 18 October 2017 (PDT)

Boom. Once again you hit the nail right on the head. Seriously, y'all are getting good at calling my shots.
Yes, Xrivizaja is a major oil producer, exploiting similar areas to Malaysia and Indonesia *here*. I don't know if it would be a member of COPEN, though--*here*'s Malaysia or Brunei aren't members of OPEC, although Indonesia was until it became a net importer of oil. I don't really see why it wouldn't be a member, though.
Xrivizaja's reliance on oil becomes important in the Hijra 1393 crisis, since it leads the government to implement the "New Economic Policy". This is pretty different from the New Economic Policy of *here*, though, which more or less was meant to entrench Malay supremacy in Malaysia--*there* it refers to a policy to make Xrivizaja less dependent on natural resource production and transition to a high-tech economy à la Japan by encouraging manufacturing, finance and other advanced industries. Juanmartinvelezlinares 05:23, 19 October 2017 (PDT)
Ok, I'll add Xrivizaja as COPEN member state. *Here* oil was discovered in Sumatra, Dutch East Indies, in 1885. Guess Xrivizaja's membership at COPEN could start during the 1950's just to make things different from Indonesian membership at OPEC (1962).--Pedromoderno 16:54, 19 October 2017 (PDT)
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