Talk:Thousand Emirates

My proposal for the flag

The proposal

Perhaps this proposal is not that unique but it fits the heraldic tradition of the area well. Plain red flags in real world were used by all the Emirates of UAE once (and still are used by two of them as local flags), Oman, Qatar, Bahrain; it is a traditional banner of the area. In 19th and 20th century (in Oman as late as 1970) these flags were changed so that there wouldn't be several countries using the same flag (but the red color exists in all flags). In case of IB there is a single country in the area however. Another proposal maybe a red flag with a white stripe on hoist which in real world originated after (if I remember correctly) England demanded some local governments to discontinue usage of plain red flags which were also used by pirates in the area (Qatar, Bahrain, Dubai and some other Emirates of the UAE flags are originating in that design; Oman, UAE, Kuwait, Yemen flags also have both colors; Kuwait and Yemen historically also used red/white flags). Abdul-aziz 02:38, 18 August 2007 (PDT)

I'm aware of the history of *here's* flags from the emirates. The proposal I made for the flag intended to be a mix of the Federation of South Arabia and the old Trucial States flags as the Thousand Emirates *there* geographically absorved all those countries. Anyway proposals for new flags are welcome. --Pedromoderno 10:27, 18 August 2007 (PDT)

I think that the influence of Europe on the region is just as strong *there* as *here*. Pedro, could you link to all the different flags you drew from to make this flag? I'm curious to see them. BoArthur 13:35, 18 August 2007 (PDT)

http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/ye_fsa.html - South Arabia flag is here. However the real flag that was used by the British protectorate of the Federation of South Arabia was used just for several years (1962 - 1967). The flag South Yemen adopted after independence in 1967 did not resemble this flag in any way and Thousand Emirates includes far larger area than South Yemen (let alone FoSA). The European influence existed in the area therefore as I said red flag with a white stripe on a hoist (like that of Dubai and some othe emirates of UAE and similar to that of Qatar and Bahrain) may be plausible as well (I have previously explained the origins of white color there). The white stripe may have been changed to some white symbol (such as Shahada, crescent moon or a sword) or a red/white bicolor of some sort. However no of the countries of the region in our world kept the colonially imposed flag designs after independence (with the exception of added white stripes to some flags); the reversion to a plain red design after the independence of Thousand Emirates may also be logical. Abdul-aziz 06:57, 19 August 2007 (PDT)

Marc's proposal

To avoid confusion with the pirate's flag, how about putting a semy of white stars on it symbolising the numerous emirates ? --Marc Pasquin 20:22, 19 August 2007 (PDT)

My second proposal

Here is another possibility for the Thousand Emirates flag: white bar on the hoist, white crescent moon and Shahada. --Pedromoderno 18:17, 20 August 2007 (PDT)

Proposed historical flags

Below just two proposals for historical flags. First one is the mix of former Mutakwelite Kingdom of Yemen *here* with Jewish symbology. Second is quite logical according to the patterns from FOIB web-site: colonial english red cross plus badge taken from *here's* world. --Pedromoderno 18:31, 22 August 2007 (PDT)

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  Himyar Kingdom of Yemen

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  Colony of Aden

I do quite like them. Can you explain the symbology? BoArthur 16:54, 23 August 2007 (PDT)

To be honest, I didn't think about possible meanings for these flags' symbology. For Yemen, I simply thought it would be fun to mix the historical flag of North Yemen *Here* with Judaism as in IB Yemen is jewish.

As for Aden, the dhow sailboat as it appears in Aden's british colonial badge *here* could also symbolise same territory *there* but with english colonial flag pattern. --Pedromoderno 18:24, 23 August 2007 (PDT)

So are the stars the symbol for Judaism? BoArthur 18:43, 23 August 2007 (PDT)

The original stars on North Yemen's flag (*here*) were replaced by the David's Stars in order to make the flag more jewish.--Pedromoderno 21:45, 28 August 2007 (PDT)

In Ill Bethisad, stars of david are much less identified as a 'Jewish symbol'; the menora is much more popular, hence the flag of Judea. Steg, a.k.a. Boroparkpyro 03:11, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps something like this one below, mixing the 1918 Yemen's flag from *Here* with a menorah.

--Pedromoderno 14:50, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

A better designed proposal for Jewish Yemen, still mixing old North Yemen's flag and the menorah.

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--Pedromoderno 05:18, 1 April 2014 (PDT)

Flags once again

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Except for the two historical flags, I found the four flags above listed as flag of the 1000 Emirates. Is the first one QSS? And should the remaining three be added to Category:Rejected Flag Proposals? —IJzeren Jan ^Uszkiełtu? 02:54, 12 September 2007 (PDT)

To me, the first one is too busy (too many colours) and the last one too plain. --Marc Pasquin 03:03, 12 September 2007 (PDT)

I also found this one (to the right). The file name suggests that it was intended for Yemen, although it's not in use by any page. In any case, it doesn't have the red hoist. Maybe that would be a solution? —IJzeren Jan ^Uszkiełtu? 05:33, 12 September 2007 (PDT)

This to the right is the flag of real-world short-lived South Arabian Federation (a British dependency that encompassed parts of modern Yemen) and I have explained why is it (or the flag derived directly from it) wrong IMO. No flag was adopted for now I believe, the discussion for and against these proposals is above. Abdul-aziz 05:57, 12 September 2007 (PDT)

In that case my "vote" would go to the second flag, the red on with the stars. —IJzeren Jan ^Uszkiełtu? 06:14, 12 September 2007 (PDT)

1-I agree with Marc.

2-About the flag which can be found in the article, no it isn't QSS. Just a possible or proposal flag.

3-About the South Arabian Federation flag on IB, I uploaded it to my very first article on this wiki, about one year and a half ago. At the time it intended to be the flag for my original article about the Thousand Emirates. So, for me this flag is now useless as the original article went to delection. At best, perhaps it still have a place at the rejected flags list.

4-Among the four flags here my favourite is number three, although the stars flag meaning makes sense to me.--Pedromoderno 16:54, 12 September 2007 (PDT)

Name

Could someone transliterate the name of the country into Latin script? --Marc Pasquin 03:26, 23 September 2007 (PDT)

Done.

Christian Emirate

What is the denomination of the Christian emirate? Are they Assyrians? Eastern Catholics? Oriental Orthodox? Or are they some other denomination? Juan Martin Velez Linares 10:28, 21/3/2016 (CDT)

I think any of the denominations you told could be good candidates for a Christian emirate. Perhaps due to proximity to Ethiopia they could be Ethiopian Orthodox.--Pedromoderno 08:25, 22 March 2016 (PDT)

"Absolute monarchy"

The description of the government calls the country an "elective absolute monarchy" before in the same paragraph saying that the monarch has almost no power. This seems like a mistake to me. I think the intention must have been to say that the individual emirs have absolute power within their respective domains. I changed the description to "federation of absolute monarchies" to reflect this. Forgiveness please if I misunderstood something. Benkarnell 20:27, 1 May 2020 (PDT)

You are totally right! When I wrote "elective absolute monarchy" I intented to say that it was an absolute monarchy in local terms, being the national head of state more a symbolic leader than an almighty one. The Thousand Emirates should be seen as more a confederation than a federation as each constituent is nearly independent inside their own borders. Central government is weak and just deals mostly with resolution of conflicts between the constituent emirates, external relations and national defense. I'm not sure if it realy has national armed forces, guess in case of war with another country would be the most powerful emirates to take the military leadership.--Pedromoderno 17:15, 2 May 2020 (PDT)