If this is better about the Saxons, we should maybe create a saxon page to fit it in. BoArthur
Is Saxony a kingdom today? *Here* it was kingdom just after HRE collapse (first king Friedrich August I. 1806). Couldnot it *there* be sooner, like 1761 to make Saxony a firm ally of Prussia and Austria against Bohemia? They might be promised to receive Lusatia, but they did not received it in fact. Then Saxony might went with Napo against Prussia to ensure its position as a kingdom under his emperorship. -- Jan II.
- As you wish. But, wasn't Saxony an electorate? --IJzeren Jan 23:52, 27 November 2005 (PST)
- According to my sources, Saxony was Elector *here*, namely the Count Palatine of Saxony was among original seven Electors. Emperor Charles IV. of Luxemburg named particulary Duke of Saxony (being also Count Palatine of Saxony) in the Golden Bull 1356 as the Elector too.
- No no, look here: Saxony was an electorate, with a prince-elect, from 1356 to 1806. In that last year, it became a kingdom after the dissolution of the HRE. Now, I don't know what happened *there*. The elector, and later king, of Saxony was allied with Napoleon, and *here* he had to step back after the latter's defeat. But in IB, things were a little different. Given the fact that the HRE was not dissolved at all, I'm inclined to believe that Saxony might still be an electorate. Or not. --IJzeren Jan 00:18, 28 November 2005 (PST)
- Duke of Saxony was the Imperial Marshal and thus Elector since 1212, when Friedrich II. issued so called Golden Bull of Sicilly, where he also established Bohemian king as the Elector with title Imperial Cup Bearer. The Golden Bull of Charles only formalised the proceedings. -- Jan II.
- Saxony also included Thuringia at one point, but it was split between two heirs at some point. The *Electorate of Saxony* (i.e. Saxony proper) stayed as an electorate, while the *Duchy of Saxony* later became the Thuringian States. --Sikulu 23 December 2005, 10:46 (GMT)