Are there any Prussian speakers *there* or was the language wiped out as it was *here*? Deiniol
That's a good question. I wonder about that, too, now that you mention it. BoArthur 11:18, 16 Mar 2005 (PST)
That question is easily answered: there are! What would you expect of me, eh? :)) According to my own statistics at http://www.geocities.com/wenedyk/ib/rtc_demo.html there are about 700,000 Prussian speakers in the RTC. In other words, a small but not insignificant minority. On a related note, there are also speakers of Yatvingian and Sudovian left. IJzeren Jan 11:39, 16 Mar 2005 (PST)
Kaiser or King?
I'm a tad confused. Does the HRE have an Emperor any more? Do they elect one? Or is the King of Prussia still the Kaiser? I'm not stating any preference--I'd just like to know. Zahir 22:44, 3 November 2005 (PST)
- My knowledge of Prussian history is rather bad, but I know, there was one feature, that title of Prussian ruler was not King of Prussia, but King in Prussia, in some weird way trying not to be bound only to Prussia. That title should somehow pressume, that they are designed to rule more, ie. whole Germany. Take it cum granum salis; I may also check my books by Monday. -- Jan II.
- The HRE still has an elected emperor, as far as I know. But as for who it is, I do not know. It seems highly unlikely that they would elect a Prussian king after the debacle of GWII. Boreanesia 01:37, 4 November 2005 (PST)
- Certainly not immediately after GWII, but maybe in more recent times, a Prussian king might have a shot at the Imperium? Nik 01:40, 4 November 2005 (PST)
I suspect the Allied Powers would have insisted that the title be "King OF Prussia" as of 1949. Zahir 05:32, 4 November 2005 (PST)
- Along the same lines, *here* to symbolise the end of absolutism, King Louis-Philippe Ier changed his title "Roi de France" (king of France) to "Roi des Français" [king of the frenchs]. Something like the second could have been used.--Marc Pasquin 05:53, 4 November 2005 (PST)
- Interesting! The only problem I see is that King of the Prussians carries with it the taint of imperialism because there are indeed folks who could be considered "Prussians" in the populations of other nations. Zahir 06:28, 4 November 2005 (PST)
For the emperor, the allies could have "convinced" the germans to vote for someone that came either from one of the states that opposed Prussia from the begining or from the part of germany considered to be harmless (Jervaine for example).--Marc Pasquin 05:43, 4 November 2005 (PST)
- I agree with that. The king of Prussia himself would be out of the question. And frankly, I think the king of the SR, albeit in his capacity of head of state of several German states, would be out of the question too, at least in the eyes of the other Allies.
- Would it be unthinkable that the emperor would be elected from among the monarchs of the German states for a certain term? Like, 5 or 10 years or so? That would certainly be a way to avoid the HRE falling into the hand of one particular member state! --IJzeren Jan 05:50, 4 November 2005 (PST)
BTW, I see Prussia has a population of over 7 million. Are you sure that figure isn't based on the prewar situation, when Prussia also included Preimern and East Prussia? I see that the three cities listed in the "other cities" section are all part of the RTC nowadays! --IJzeren Jan 05:52, 4 November 2005 (PST)
- Actually, I based that on a guess looking at statistics for german states *here*, which is also where I got the three cities mentioned. Please feel free to correct them where I am wrong. Zahir 06:24, 4 November 2005 (PST)
30 Days Almost Up
Just a note that in under a week it will have been 30 days since I offered this proposal about Prussia's government since the end of GW2. Anyone see any problems? Comments? Suggestions? Zahir 08:44, 25 November 2005 (PST)
- Good that you mention it! Well, let me first say that I have no problem whatsoever with your proposal. When you depropose it, don't forget to also depropose the Wilhelms and Wilhelminas.
- But in order to make this into a good article, we need to do something about "IJzeren Jan's version" vs. "Dan's version recanted in favour of IJzeren Jan's version". Now, I always like it when something is in favour of me, but in this case I don't fully see the additional value of the latter piece of text. It's a bit shorter, and frankly, I prefer the longer version. Besides, where the two versions differ, I have to say that I prefer my own version. Who was the author of that version anyway, Dan H. or Dan J.? I don't really remember the details of the discussion we were having back than, so if someone could freshen up my memory...
- And then, we have the Kingdom of Prussia article. Source material, mostly. It's a lot more elaborate than the stuff in Prussia, but except for a few edits it has not been adapted to IB yet. I have the feeling that those two articles should be merged, but frankly, I'm at a loss as to how to do that. I've read it over many times, and I still don't know. Perhaps we should simply throw it away? --IJzeren Jan 08:59, 25 November 2005 (PST)
- The author was moi. BoArthur
- Okay, I've gone and incorporated the material from Kingdom of Prussia into the histories of all the previous Kings of Prussia: Friedrich I, Friedrich Wilhelm I, Friedrich II ("The Great"), Friedrich Wilhelm II, Friedrich Wilhelm III, Friedrich Wilhelm IV, King Wilhelm I and King Friedrich III. Still need to add some dates and things, though. But this way, we avoid the problem (which I see very clearly) of trying to integrate the two history texts. Zahir 10:30, 25 November 2005 (PST)
Province of Saxony
Would the Prussian Province of Saxony perhaps not be transfered to Saxony, or did everyone decide against reducing Prussia to just Brandenburg?